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zogby blob · #21 (**permalink**) 12-17-2003, 04:50 PM

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The war was essentially unilateral, because the vast majority of nations- both in the U.N. and even NATO, (with the possible exception of a handful of two-bit banana republics hoping for some $$$ out of the deal) were AGAINST the war and believed, justifiably that the disarmament process was working, and Saddam's regime did not pose the imminent threat that Bush was alleging it did.

You are so full of ****. This was the largest coalition ever. EVER.

zogby blob · #22 (**permalink**) 12-17-2003, 04:51 PM

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So I say again, where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction?? You mean to tell me that they have not been able to find them in the nine plus months that our forces have occupied Iraq?? Get real.

Have you read anything about the amounts of weapon stock piles we still need to go through? It will take years. Plus the fact that is is probably burried and knowing Saddam, he probably killed everyone the buried it.

zogby blob · #23 (**permalink**) 12-17-2003, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by peacemover

Here is an article and some links on what the U.S. government and its agencies did in the 1980's to supply Iraq with dangerous biological agents and materials:

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Posted on Tue, Oct. 01, 2002

U.S. Shipments of Pathogens to Iraq
The Associated Press

Shipments from the United States to Iraq of the kinds of pathogens later used in Iraq's biological weapons programs, according to records from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Senate Banking Committee and U.N. weapons inspectors:

ANTHRAX

Iraq admitted making 2,200 gallons of anthrax spores and putting some of them into weapons. U.N. inspectors said Iraq could have made three times as much anthrax as it acknowledged, and could not verify Iraq's claims to have destroyed all of its weaponized anthrax.

The American Type Culture Collection, a biological samples repository in Manassas, Va., sent two shipments of anthrax to Iraq in the 1980s. Three anthrax strains were in a May 1986 shipment sent to the University of Baghdad, which U.N. inspectors later linked to Iraq's biological weapons program. A 1988 shipment from ATCC to Iraq also included four anthrax strains.

BOTULINUM

Iraq admitted making 5,300 gallons of botulinum toxin, a deadly poison produced by the Clostridium botulinum bacteria, and putting some of it into weapons. Five warheads filled with botulinum toxin are missing.

ATCC sent six strains of Clostridium botulinum to the University of Baghdad in the May 1986 shipment. The September 1988 ATCC shipment to Iraq also contained one strain of Clostridium botulinum.

In March 1986, the CDC sent samples of botulinum toxin and botulinum toxiod (used to make a vaccine against botulinum poisoning) directly to Iraq's al-Muthanna complex, a center for Iraq's chemical weapons program and the site where Iraq restarted its dormant biological weapons program in 1985.

GAS GANGRENE

U.N. inspectors concluded Iraq could have produced hundreds of gallons of the germs that cause gas gangrene, though Iraq admitted producing just a fraction of that amount. Gas gangrene, caused by the Clostridium perfringens bacteria, causes toxic gases to form inside the body, killing tissues and causing internal bleeding, lung and liver damage.

ATCC sent three strains of Clostridium perfringens to the University of Baghdad in the May 1986 shipment and another three strains in the 1988 shipment.

OTHER

The CDC sent bacteria samples to Iraq's Atomic Energy Commission in 1985, 1987 and 1988. The commission was involved in Saddam's attempts to build a nuclear bomb and other weapons of mass destruction.

The CDC also sent bacteria samples to the Sera and Vaccine Institute in Amiriyah, Iraq, in 1988. The institute stored samples and did genetic engineering research for Iraq's biological weapons programs, U.N. inspectors found.

other articles:

http://zena.secureforum.com/interact...fm?itemID=5141

http://www.technologyreports.net/sec...articleID=1005

So What? Who ever gave them to him, he was no longer an alley of ours and needed to be taken out. Besides, I thought you said he didn't have them. Well, which is it? Does he have them or not? If we gave it to him, he must have them. You are so inconsistant in your arguements.

eldondre · #24 (**permalink**) 12-17-2003, 04:58 PM

from what it looks like, he HAD them but no longer possessed them at the time of invasion.

zogby blob · #25 (**permalink**) 12-17-2003, 05:04 PM

Then there would have been evidence of there destruction and there was not. All he had to do was show the inspectors where the scrap was and that would have been the end of it.

peacemover · #26 (**permalink**) 12-17-2003, 05:39 PM

My point is this, Jason- the U.S. gave Iraq their biological weapons in the 80's, however, the most recent round of inspections did not reveal any WMDs. All indications are that they were destroyed. The process of inspection was moving along, and there was insufficient justification to launch a military invasion such as Mr. Bush did.

Also, the war in Iraq has very little to do with the so-called war on terror. Terrorists and there weapons are still out there- what needs to be done to combat that problem is to drastically improve our security infrastructures.

This war was about Mr. Bush pursuing his own interests, then wrapping himself in the flag- plain and simple.

Dropping bombs on a nation, unprovoked, supposedly in the name of peace is not only an oxymoron- it doesn't work. If anything, I fear that the terrorists may have only been emboldened by this ill-advised, unjustified war.

Peace,

J

zogby blob · #27 (**permalink**) 12-17-2003, 05:58 PM

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All indications are that they were destroyed

Oh, yeah? What indications might they be? We searched Tikrit for months and couldn't find Saddam. I guess he wasn't there. Oh, wait, he was. He was hiding. I wonder if he might have hid anything else.

zogby blob · #28 (**permalink**) 12-17-2003, 06:00 PM

Peace

You say that Saddam had no tied to Terrorism. That is an outright lie. He was giving 25k to the families of suiside bombers in Isreal. He was meeting with Al-Queda leaders in the Sudan in the 90's. He has plenty of proven ties to terrorism. Did he ever meet with Osama? I don't know, but he did have ties.

eldondre · #29 (**permalink**) 12-17-2003, 06:08 PM

okay blob, that's a bunch of crap. the meetings with al queda are hardly fact. the one is poland, or wherever, alter turned out to be false info. and hiding one man is easier than hiding a weapons program. and giving 25k to suicide bombers in israel was not the justification for war. that is israel's beef right? shouldn't they protect their own citizens? or should we go to war for israel? the only way he has plenty ofproven ties to terrorism is if you are R who denies the facts. Pakistan has terrorists in its won country. one of them is named Osama. Warfare/welfare. good ol' bismarck. remember, you are talking to a bunch of republicans here who already agree with your intents.

Geno · #30 (**permalink**) 12-17-2003, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by zogby blob

I know it's hard to initiate any original thought after so many years of following, but nows as good a time as any to start.

Wow, that's a bit of a personal slam there. I guess considering your deeply felt principles about the validity of this war and it's importance to the survival of the free world, you'll be rushing down to the recruiting station to do your part. As did Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft and those egg-head neo-cons like William Kristol back in their day.

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