Myth of Global Warming Consensus Explodes - PhillyBlog

geoffrobinson · #1 (**permalink**) 07-18-2008, 09:27 AM

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=12403

The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming "incontrovertible."

five apples · #2 (**permalink**) 07-18-2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by geoffrobinson

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=12403

The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming "incontrovertible."

Last time I checked, physicists were not climatoligists.

ChiefSalsa · #3 (**permalink**) 07-18-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by aubin

Last time I checked, physicists were not climatoligists.

EXACTLY! But, when they offered their original opinion years ago, it was thrown into the mix of "the consensus".

Since when did climatologists ever get anything right?

Ahhhh, psysicists....tools of the Right, they are!

Willets Point · #4 (**permalink**) 07-18-2008, 10:59 AM

Apparently in the 1970s, the scientists were worried about Global Cooling. You can find a 1974 Time article here and a PDF of a Newsweek article from 1975 about it here.

I call the whole thing shenanigans and bad science all around.

romano · #5 (**permalink**) 07-18-2008, 11:07 AM

I love these fabricated stories. Misrepresent the facts, quote the few scientists who support your views and BAM the myth is exposed!! Overwhelming scientific consensus be damned. The field of evolution deniers is another fine example.

Not sure if the OP missed this little nugget at the end of the story:

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After publication of this story, the APS responded with a statement that its Physics and Society Forum is merely one unit within the APS, and its views do not reflect those of the Society at large.

Colin P. Varga · #6 (**permalink**) 07-18-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by geoffrobinson

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=12403

The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming "incontrovertible."

The Society hasn't changed it's "incontrovertible" position on Global Warming. The Society hasn't made any statement according to the article that it is going to change it's collective mind.

It did say their were scientists disagree with other scientists. So far the story is "Dog bites Man".

In a posting to the APS forum, editor Jeffrey Marque explains,"There is a considerable presence within the scientific community of people who do not agree with the IPCC conclusion that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are very probably likely to be primarily responsible for global warming that has occurred since the Industrial Revolution."

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=12403

dgoak · #7 (**permalink**) 07-18-2008, 11:26 AM

John Colman the founder of the weather channel has always held that there is no global warming. He gave a speech to the San Diego Chamber of Commerce where he denounced global warning, called Gore a liar, and connected the global warming frenzy to the high price of gas.

He has a lot of interesting points that seem to shoot a huge hole in the whole global warming argument. This coupled with a petition published a few months months back with 30,000 scientists signing it stating they do not believe in global warming is pretty persuasive.

from his commets:

[FONT='Arial','sans-serif'][/font]Worldwide there was a significant natural warming trend in the 1980’s and 1990’s as a Solar cycle peaked with lots of sunspots and solar flares. That ended in 1998 and now the Sun has gone quiet with fewer and fewer Sun spots, and the global temperatures have gone into decline. Earth has cooled for almost ten straight years. So, I ask Al Gore, where’s the global warming?

rest of his comments here:
http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemans.../19842304.html

Mars · #8 (**permalink**) 07-18-2008, 11:32 AM

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Solar contribution to 'global warming' predicted to decrease

New research on the sun's contribution to global warming is reported in this month's Astronomy & Geophysics. By looking at solar activity over the last 11,000 years, British Antarctic Survey (BAS) astrophysicist, Mark Clilverd, predicts that the sun's contribution to warming the Earth will reduce slightly over the next 100 years.

This is a different picture to the last century when solar flares, sunspots and geomagnetic storms, increased in number. This rise is simultaneous with emissions of greenhouses gases and an estimated increase in solar heat output, which together have warmed the Earth's temperature by a global average of 0.7 degrees centigrade.

The solar contribution to the increase is variously estimated to be around 4-20% leaving greenhouse gases to make up the remaining 80%. Clilverd and colleagues conclude that solar activity is about to peak and predict less activity in the next 100 years, with the occurrence of space storms likely to decline by two thirds. Their assumption is that the solar heat output will decline slightly accordingly.

Clilverd examined data from sun spot activity, geomagnetic storm indices and looked at the variation of atmospheric radiocarbon derived from studies of tree rings and marine sediments to make his predictions.

He says, "This work is speculative and relies on the idea that the sun shows regular cycles of activity on timescales of 10 – 10,000 years and that its heat output and activity are related. But we believe the work is well grounded and the effect of solar activity on Earth's environmental system will not increase in the way it has during the last century. We should take this into account when trying to understand the impact of human activity on our climate system."

Although solar activity may reduce in 2100, Clilverd predicts it will return to its current levels by 2200.

Clilverd continues, "This research is important for understanding the severity and impact of climate change in coming centuries. As noted by Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in the Third Assessment Report, published in 2001, anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases are highly likely to cause warming of the Earth, but factors such as solar variability could amplify or subdue the effect."

Source: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-10/bas-sct100103.php

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New analysis counters claims that solar activity is linked to global warming

It has been one of the central claims of those who challenge the idea that human activities are to blame for global warming. The planet's climate has long fluctuated, say the climate sceptics, and current warming is just part of that natural cycle - the result of variation in the sun's output and not carbon dioxide emissions.

But a new analysis of data on the sun's output in the last 25 years of the 20th century has firmly put the notion to rest. The data shows that even though the sun's activity has been decreasing since 1985, global temperatures have continued to rise at an accelerating rate.

.....James Hansen, a Nasa climate scientist who was once gagged by the Bush administration for speaking out on global warming, said the issue of whether the sun's activity is causing global warming had been dispensed with by most scientists long ago. "The reason [this paper] has value is that the proponents of the notion that the sun determines everything come up with various half-baked suggestions that the sun can somehow cause an indirect forcing that is not included in the measurements of radiation coming from the sun," he said. "These half-baked notions are usually supported by empirical correlations of climate with some solar index in the past. Thus, by showing that these correlations are not consistent with recent climate change, the half-baked notions can be dispensed with."

Prof Lockwood said the study was "another nail" in the coffin of the notion that solar activity is responsible for global warming.

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...climatechange1

Mars · #9 (**permalink**) 07-18-2008, 11:42 AM

Seems like we live in Medieval flat earth times....I guess somebody like Galileo who suggested the earth revolved around the sun and wasn't the center of the solar system like the Church professed..would be excommunicated by Darth Cheney in today's pseudo-scientific american environment..

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Vice President Dick Cheney's office pushed for major deletions in congressional testimony on the public health consequences of climate change, fearing the presentation by a leading health official might make it harder to avoid regulating greenhouse gases, a former EPA officials maintains.

When six pages were cut from testimony on climate change and public health by the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention last October, the White House insisted the changes were made because of reservations raised by White House advisers about the accuracy of the science.

But Jason K. Burnett, until last month the senior adviser on climate change to Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Stephen Johnson, says that Cheney's office was deeply involved in getting nearly half of the CDC's original draft testimony removed.

Source: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=5330272

Colin P. Varga · #10 (**permalink**) 07-18-2008, 12:45 PM

Please go to the APS site for the real story:
http://www.aps.org/

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Originally Posted by geoffrobinson

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=12403

The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming. The APS is also sponsoring public debate on the validity of global warming science. The leadership of the society had previously called the evidence for global warming "incontrovertible."