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Old 07-18-2008, 03:53 PM
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CO2 is a greenhouse gas, we pump tons of it into the air every minute. Not hard to follow the logic, so simple really.
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Old 07-18-2008, 04:48 PM
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CO2 is a greenhouse gas, we pump tons of it into the air every minute. Not hard to follow the logic, so simple really.
Another excerpt from john colman's speech I sited earlier:

Here is the deal about CO2, carbon dioxide.
It is a natural component of our atmosphere.
It has been there since time began.
It is absorbed and emitted by the oceans.
It is used by every living plant to trigger photosynthesis.
Nothing would be green without it. And we humans; we create it.
Every time we breathe out, we emit carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
It is not a pollutant. It is not smog. It is a naturally occurring invisible gas.

Let me illustrate. I estimate that this square in front of my face contains 100,000 molecules of atmosphere.
Of those 100,000 only 38 are CO2; 38 out of a hundred thousand.
That makes it a trace component.
Let me ask a key question: how can this tiny trace upset the entire balance of the climate of Earth? It can’t.
That’s all there is to it; it can’t.

Not saying I believe or disbelieve global warnming, haven't read enough from both sides to be able to make an educated decision. but from what I have read, both sides are contradicting each other, one side has to be wrong. It's either warming or it isn't.......according to colman's speech the earth has cooled for the last ten years, not heated up. then you read other reports that it has warmed over the last ten years.....so who do you believe?
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Yes, if we had left these trace amounts in the ground in coal and oil and wood CO2 wouldn't be a problem. Nature would be in balance. However, we have been taking the CO2 just sitting around and pouring it into the atmosphere, in trace amounts but on a huge scale.

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Another excerpt from john colman's speech I sited earlier:

Here is the deal about CO2, carbon dioxide.
It is a natural component of our atmosphere.
It has been there since time began.
It is absorbed and emitted by the oceans.
It is used by every living plant to trigger photosynthesis.
Nothing would be green without it. And we humans; we create it.
Every time we breathe out, we emit carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
It is not a pollutant. It is not smog. It is a naturally occurring invisible gas.

Let me illustrate. I estimate that this square in front of my face contains 100,000 molecules of atmosphere.
Of those 100,000 only 38 are CO2; 38 out of a hundred thousand.
That makes it a trace component.
Let me ask a key question: how can this tiny trace upset the entire balance of the climate of Earth? It can’t.
That’s all there is to it; it can’t.

Not saying I believe or disbelieve global warnming, haven't read enough from both sides to be able to make an educated decision. but from what I have read, both sides are contradicting each other, one side has to be wrong. It's either warming or it isn't.......according to colman's speech the earth has cooled for the last ten years, not heated up. then you read other reports that it has warmed over the last ten years.....so who do you believe?
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Old 07-18-2008, 05:12 PM
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Of those 100,000 only 38 are CO2; 38 out of a hundred thousand.
That makes it a trace component.
Let me ask a key question: how can this tiny trace upset the entire balance of the climate of Earth? It can’t.
That’s all there is to it; it can’t.
Seems like a pretty strong relationship to my naked eye:


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Old 07-18-2008, 05:27 PM
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Another excerpt from john colman's speech I sited earlier:

Here is the deal about CO2, carbon dioxide.
It is a natural component of our atmosphere.
It has been there since time began.
It is absorbed and emitted by the oceans.
It is used by every living plant to trigger photosynthesis.
Nothing would be green without it. And we humans; we create it.
Every time we breathe out, we emit carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
It is not a pollutant. It is not smog. It is a naturally occurring invisible gas.

Let me illustrate. I estimate that this square in front of my face contains 100,000 molecules of atmosphere.
Of those 100,000 only 38 are CO2; 38 out of a hundred thousand.
That makes it a trace component.
Let me ask a key question: how can this tiny trace upset the entire balance of the climate of Earth? It can’t.
That’s all there is to it; it can’t.

Not saying I believe or disbelieve global warnming, haven't read enough from both sides to be able to make an educated decision. but from what I have read, both sides are contradicting each other, one side has to be wrong. It's either warming or it isn't.......according to colman's speech the earth has cooled for the last ten years, not heated up. then you read other reports that it has warmed over the last ten years.....so who do you believe?
Well CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and this greenhouse gas makes this planet livable by warming it, so why would one amount make the planet warm enough to live on, but more wouldnt make it warmer. Look into the amounts we are pumping, it isn't small numbers, we are talking metric tons every hour.
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Globalwarmingart.com does sound pretty unbiased but here is NASA's climate anomoly chart which looks anything but conclusive to me:



Its not like the climate has ever been constant folks, its always changing.
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Old 07-18-2008, 05:51 PM
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Yes, those who believe Global Warming is a fraud are flat earthers. We all are uneducated rubes. While those who believe in it are the enligthened progressives who never speak in platitudes(such as calling dissenters "flat earthers") and back up there claims with science(by saying "scientists say", which means nothing).
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At this point, no one is disputing Global Warming; the Earth is getting warmer every year. That's an indisputable fact which everyone agrees on.

The dissenters are those who claim that human activity is *not* causing Global Warming, that it is part of a natural cycle. What they do not try to explain is why it is now warmer on the planet than it has been in 100,000 years, and what's causing it if it's not us.

For argument's sake, even if we aren't to blame, it is in our best interest to get the global temperature down, as humans can only exist in a very narrow temperature range for extended periods of time, and 120 degrees F is the top of that range.

This is one case where I personally think we need to act right now, even if we're wrong because

a) I don't like broiling every time I step outside and

b) I don't want to have to deal with refugees from New Jersey when the f*cking glaciers melt.

Personally, I'm fine with people who don't what to believe in the scientific method, so long they don't try to impose their beliefs on the rest of us. If you believe in the Flat Earth or Creationism or that we aren't responsible for Global Warming, I'm fine with that. But if you try to prevent us from taking the actions we need to take (conservation, carbon sequestration, etc) to save us, then I will get the elk gun out, as protecting civilization is much more important to me than your right to believe in BS.
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Old 07-18-2008, 06:15 PM
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Globalwarmingart.com does sound pretty unbiased but here is NASA's climate anomoly chart which looks anything but conclusive to me:
Said the person hotlinking from a global warming denier site. No one debates that climate isn't always changing. However, you have to look at the rate at which it's changing and in which direction. I'm not an expert, but I do have faith in the scientific community. When the overwhelming consensus is that a.) global warming is real and b.) global warming is exceedingly likely to be human related, I tend to believe it, instead of some conspiracy theory. I mean even Bush doesn't deny it anymore, and he had NASA edit their reports to exclude any mentions of global warming.

Btw, if you look at both temperature charts, you'll realize that the data actually matches up pretty well. Only your chart looks at a much smaller range of dates and takes the average from a more recent date to make the increase in temperature seem less pronounced. But when you expand it over more than a century (like my chart does), the pattern is pretty obvious. It's pretty sad when you have to resort to statistical gimmicks in order to make a point.
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Globalwarmingart.com does sound pretty unbiased but here is NASA's climate anomoly chart which looks anything but conclusive to me:



Its not like the climate has ever been constant folks, its always changing.
If you look at this chart you can see that the bottom range is higher over time. While there are changes there's also an overall trend. The lower anomalies are getting higher.
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Personally, I'm fine with people who don't what to believe in the scientific method, so long they don't try to impose their beliefs on the rest of us.
Amen, brutha! Keep Al Gore out of my life.

Unless we shoot a giant water balloon at the Sun, you really can not do a damn thing to stop this. Letting econuts write enviromental legislation will ruin the American economy.

The Sun is hot. We can't stop it. Deal with it.
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