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Old 05-14-2008, 09:05 PM
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As to the thread itself, it's "Russian History X", the same happens here, or in England, or Italy, or Spain, etc, etc.....there's dumb violent people everywhere that blames everybody but themselves about their problems.
So what problems do we have that we are blaming on others here in Philly? What problems have I caused that I am blaming on someone else?

None that I can see.
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don't know about you, but the video I just saw the "outsiders" are the ones getting their asses kicked by "russians", and not the other way around.
There is no question that the new immigrant wave brings crime with them. The immigrants come from poorer regions, on average have less education, and are not accustomed to the ways things are done in the places where they are moving. For example, in many former southern Soviet republics, people are not that used to solving things through the police and courts. If someone wrongs them, they are more prone to settle it in a way that eventually will become a crime statistic. The same can be observed in Philadelphia, where "culture" and how things are done can radically change in less than 10 miles. Other there, we are talking about a clash between people that come from areas thousands of miles apart, belonging to different religions and of different races.

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As to the thread itself, it's "Russian History X", the same happens here, or in England, or Italy, or Spain, etc, etc.....there's dumb violent people everywhere that blames everybody but themselves about their problems
Right. Blacks are blamed for crime, powerful Jews for abusing the working class, Mexicans for taking jobs, etc. But all of that is perfectly natural and predictable. You can't have different cultures living side by side and not expect cultural tension. It never worked anywhere, and never will. Humans will never like those that are different. It is not something exclusive to dumb people, though the reaction differs between dumb and smart.

The American melting pot is a myth. It is extremely segregated. Where this video came from, is the real melting pot. But it is slowly becoming segregated too. Slowly and painfully as can be seen in the video.
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I dated a Ukranian woman when I got out of the Marines back in '99....she hated being called Russian
Back in the daze of the USSR, the whole Soviet Union was a confederation of amalgamated countries. Those in the western cities regard themselves as Eastern European and feel a tie/bond between all the Slav countries (Poland, Serbia, etc.), but way down south in the -IKstan countries it's ethnically different... like the Tajiks, etc. The country was (and still is) gigantic, so homogeny is the last thing I would have considered the USSR, or even Russia today, to be.

The breakup of the USSR has been very retching for Moscow to digest; particularly Georgia... and then there's the problem that just won't go away (Chechnya).

Politically and culturally, Ukraine and the part of Russia that sits nearby are rather homogeneous since a lot of industrialization took place in Ukraine... but Ukrainians have fully embraced their independence. Consider it the equivalent of Texas seceding from the USA and turning itself back into a Republic.

Ukraine also sits on quite a significant part of of the former USSR's nuclear assets (that couldn't be relocated back to Russia). Urkaine is also home to Prippyat, the town which was abandoned due to Chernobyl.


When Russia was going through its economic turmoil while it was still the CIS---we were sending very large checks to Moscow and shipping experts overseas to help monitor Russia's nuclear weapons arsenal and a few of its power generation facilities.

On top of that, we were also helping Moscow keep their Army paid, because the last thing we wanted to see was a complete breakdown of Russia society--which would be a disaster since it's also the largest owner of nuclear weapons in the world.


As much as Putin and his new sock puppet who just got elected love to browbeat the United States, you have to realize they're doing it only to keep their face in front of old-heads in the country who used to eat up anti-US rhetoric... much like 70+ year olds today who still get a hard-on calling people "Pinko Commies." It's all talk and no action.

Russia and the US are very dependent on each other economically now, and that dependency gets deeper by the day as we're slowly buying more and more oil from them and more US businesses have setup shop in Russia, plus both countries have a growing number of ex-pats. I wouldn't be surprised if within the next 10 years Russia and the US start allowing Johnny-on-the-spot in-flight visas; so all you need to enter either country is a passport.

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Old 05-15-2008, 09:17 AM
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Ukraine also sits on quite a significant part of of the former USSR's nuclear assets (that couldn't be relocated back to Russia). Urkaine is also home to Prippyat, the town which was abandoned due to Chernobyl.
She was living in the Ukraine during the Chernobyl incident and remembered how everyone went around as if nothing was going on until radiation was reported downwind in other countries. When we were at PSU together she did a paper on the whole incident and her experiences were better then reading it in a book. It was creepy!
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So what problems do we have that we are blaming on others here in Philly? What problems have I caused that I am blaming on someone else?

None that I can see.
uh?

who's talking about you?

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The Rus were a sub-tribe of the Vikings....
Strictly speaking, it's just one of the two competing theories -- Normanist and Antinormanist -- and the shakier one in my opinion. Varangian sources never mentioned 'Rysland' until the beginning of the 2nd millennium -- almost two centuries after Svyatoslav's rule. The 'rus' (or 'ros') people to whom some Byzantian sources refer probably came from farther South, in the basin of the Dnieper. (One of the explanations, however, that the Varangians simply decided to 'borrow' the name of a tribe they had colonized)... Linguistic analysis shows that it's less likely for 'Rus' to be derived from 'ruotsi' (which, in itself, is a Finnish, not Varangian term)...
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Back in the daze of the USSR, the whole Soviet Union was a confederation of amalgamated countries. Those in the western cities regard themselves as Eastern European and feel a tie/bond between all the Slav countries (Poland, Serbia, etc.), but way down south in the -IKstan countries it's ethnically different... like the Tajiks, etc. The country was (and still is) gigantic, so homogeny is the last thing I would have considered the USSR, or even Russia today, to be.

The breakup of the USSR has been very retching for Moscow to digest; particularly Georgia... and then there's the problem that just won't go away (Chechnya).

Politically and culturally, Ukraine and the part of Russia that sits nearby are rather homogeneous since a lot of industrialization took place in Ukraine... but Ukrainians have fully embraced their independence. Consider it the equivalent of Texas seceding from the USA and turning itself back into a Republic.

Ukraine also sits on quite a significant part of of the former USSR's nuclear assets (that couldn't be relocated back to Russia). Urkaine is also home to Prippyat, the town which was abandoned due to Chernobyl.


When Russia was going through its economic turmoil while it was still the CIS---we were sending very large checks to Moscow and shipping experts overseas to help monitor Russia's nuclear weapons arsenal and a few of its power generation facilities.

On top of that, we were also helping Moscow keep their Army paid, because the last thing we wanted to see was a complete breakdown of Russia society--which would be a disaster since it's also the largest owner of nuclear weapons in the world.


As much as Putin and his new sock puppet who just got elected love to browbeat the United States, you have to realize they're doing it only to keep their face in front of old-heads in the country who used to eat up anti-US rhetoric... much like 70+ year olds today who still get a hard-on calling people "Pinko Commies." It's all talk and no action.

Russia and the US are very dependent on each other economically now, and that dependency gets deeper by the day as we're slowly buying more and more oil from them and more US businesses have setup shop in Russia, plus both countries have a growing number of ex-pats. I wouldn't be surprised if within the next 10 years Russia and the US start allowing Johnny-on-the-spot in-flight visas; so all you need to enter either country is a passport.
Some Ukranians jwould also like to think they are homogeneous but like the Russians as a people and a culture they had waves of immigrants come through and settle there. The Rus, the Germans, Tatars, Monguls, the Ancient Greeks, etc. Also as a nation they claim other people & cultures are actually Ukranian.
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uh?

who's talking about you?

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there's dumb violent people everywhere that blames everybody but themselves about their problems.
So if I blame crime on someone else am I dumb?
Im not violent so just omit that word.
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So if I blame crime on someone else am I dumb?
Im not violent so just omit that word.
Are you serious?

I could also say "everywhere in the world there's gay people that like dogs" that doesn't make's me or you gay because we like dogs.

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Are you serious?

I could also say "everywhere in the world there's gay people that like dogs" that doesn't make's me or you gay because we like dogs.

EDIT: again....not showing the original quotes in the thread.
It wont show the original quote in the thread....just the last one.
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