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Old 05-13-2008, 09:42 PM
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When you said the Russians were homogeneous what did you mean?

Russia was built up by hard working immigrants, Vikings, etc
I meant they actually have a culture as opposed to our cornucopia of people. Before the fall of the Soviet Union how many outsiders actually lived there? Im asking because I dont know.
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I meant they actually have a culture as opposed to our cornucopia of people. Before the fall of the Soviet Union how many outsiders actually lived there? Im asking because I dont know.


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Russia was built up by hard working immigrants, Vikings, etc
That's an interesting twist on the early medieval history...

Vikings were... well.. essentially vikings. Guns for hire (or, rather spears or arches for hire). What some of them can be credited with is establishing some elements of the statehood (the semi-legendary Rurik with his brothers Sinehus and Truwar).
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That's an interesting twist on the early medieval history...

Vikings were... well.. essentially vikings. Guns for hire (or, rather spears or arches for hire). What some of them can be credited with is establishing some elements of the statehood (the semi-legendary Rurik with his brothers Sinehus and Truwar).
The Vikings are being looked at a little differently more recently. More archaeology is turning up more about Viking culture going beyond the warriors.
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The Vikings are being looked at a little differently more recently. More archaeology is turning up more about Viking culture going beyond the warriors.
Undoubtedly... Nevertheless, those would be more characteristic of the original Viking Scandinavian lands. The majority of the population of what later became known as Kievan Rus was comprised of Slavs, Finno-Ugric tribes, and nomads of the Central and West Asian origin.
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I dated a Ukranian woman when I got out of the Marines back in '99....she hated being called Russian
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Before the fall of the Soviet Union how many outsiders actually lived there? Im asking because I dont know.
Before the fall of Soviet Union seeing someone black on the streets of Moscow or St. Petersburg was like seeing a Martian. It was super homogeneous, 99%+ of the population was white white. That's where these crimes are happening now.

They have a problem where the "outsiders" are really prone to violence. No different from the situation in Philly, where the black population is prone to violence. The problem there is that the population is not segregated. It's not a mobile society. All kinds of people live together, in the same high rises, on the same floors. In Philly we have high crime neighborhoods, and the crime does not really leak outside, so most are not bothered by it. There, the crime is everywhere, you can't just stay out of the bad areas like you can in Philly.

If everyone from the bad neighborhoods could move into the better neighborhoods in Philly, we would have the same backlash here. Clash of "cultures". Of course physical violence is not the solution.
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They have a problem where the "outsiders" are really prone to violence.
don't know about you, but the video I just saw the "outsiders" are the ones getting their asses kicked by "russians", and not the other way around.

or maybe I just got completely misunderstood you (hope so, won't even get into the blacks prone to violence you mentioned)

As to the thread itself, it's "Russian History X", the same happens here, or in England, or Italy, or Spain, etc, etc.....there's dumb violent people everywhere that blames everybody but themselves about their problems.

So the "skinhead" (as if the whole skinhead scene, terminology and culture is sooooooooo russian) makes a video of "russian skinheads" beating immigrants.......and they couldn't at least use russian music in the background (since their standing up for their Nation and all that, right?) but they actually used "ska" (not only not russian, but actually with black roots as a music genre btw) played to the rhythm of "lambada" (brazilian music)....
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I think that I know a thing or two. I'm not a Russian History major, but my great-grandfather was a Cossack, and my grandmother has schooled me plenty. My lullaby was a song about how Lenin and Trotsky were total bastards and stole Russia away.
The Cossacks were/are a noble people, and fearless warriors.
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That's an interesting twist on the early medieval history...
Vikings were... well.. essentially vikings. Guns for hire (or, rather spears or arches for hire). What some of them can be credited with is establishing some elements of the statehood (the semi-legendary Rurik with his brothers Sinehus and Truwar).
The Rus were a sub-tribe of the Vikings...Sviatislav is usually considered the first king or leader of what we now call the Russian people.
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