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Old 04-15-2008, 01:19 PM
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I remember someone in Congress in the 70's saying that Americans will not pay $0.60 for a gallon of gas.

Many cars are sold & bought not for their ability to transport from points A - B, but for the status and the thrill in which case the price of gas is less important to the buyer. Of course this demand is also a cause for higher gas prices.
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Old 04-15-2008, 07:28 PM
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If living in a suburban tract community 35 miles from their office park that's traversed everyday, alone in their 22 mpg SUV is that important to folks, they'll find a way to pay for gas.
Otherwise, they'll modify their behavior.
This is a non issue.
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Non issue??? Wonderful logic!...my friend's father is an independent trucker and he's so fed up with diesel fuel costs that he's thinking of packing it in because he's losing his shirt everyday. He was part of that protest on the NJ Turnpike a few weeks ago. It's pretty hard to "modify his behavior" when that's his job and how he feeds his family. If he does dump his job I'll give you a heads up and you can secure employment or maybe one of your family members can....afterall $4.00 diesel fuel costs which are going to continue to rise won't affect you because you'll be able to modify your behavior with your master plan and somehow make ends meet...it will be a non-issue for you...

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Non issue??? Wonderful logic!...my friend's father is an independent trucker and he's so fed up with diesel fuel costs that he's thinking of packing it in because he's losing his shirt everyday. He was part of that protest on the NJ Turnpike a few weeks ago. It's pretty hard to "modify his behavior" when that's his job and how he feeds his family. If he does dump his job I'll give you a heads up and you can secure employment or maybe one of your family members can....afterall $4.00 diesel fuel costs which are going to continue to rise won't affect you because you'll be able to modify your behavior with your master plan and somehow make ends meet...it will be a non-issue for you...
He was part of that NJ Turnpike parade of idiots? How'd that work out? Did it stop folks from driving 35 miles to work in their 22mpg SUVs? Did it stop the Chinese and Indians from their rapid increase in oil consumptoin? Did it get OPEC to produce more oil?
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Damn! I was sure that was going to work.

Tell your friend's dad to become a Company driver if he wants to continue to drive. Or, find a new line of work. If the market can't support your business, you find a new business... or you complain (whine) about it and accomplish nothing.

My "master plan" involves walking, car pooling, and taking public transit, something most of the rest of America would rather pay for $4/Gal. gas than do.
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Non issue??? Wonderful logic!...my friend's father is an independent trucker and he's so fed up with diesel fuel costs that he's thinking of packing it in because he's losing his shirt everyday.
Good point. It is important to remember that some businesses are effected by the high cost of gas because it is a large part of their operating expense. As opposed to people who bought huge cars or houses way out in the suburbs just because gas was cheap and then are quick to complain about some marginal price increase at the pump which costs them an extra five dollars per week.


That said,Tannhauser is right about that NJTurnpike strike being futile. Who exactly were the truckers protesting? Gas is a global market, and global demand is driving up the price. That is the reality. No reversal is in sight. Deal with it.

The only "solution" to high gas prices that truckers can reasonably expect is an increase in compensation. This is only going to happen when they start staying home because the money is not good enough. Clogging up the turnpike for a day does nothing.
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He was part of that NJ Turnpike parade of idiots? How'd that work out? Did it stop folks from driving 35 miles to work in their 22mpg SUVs? Did it stop the Chinese and Indians from their rapid increase in oil consumptoin? Did it get OPEC to produce more oil?
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Damn! I was sure that was going to work.

Tell your friend's dad to become a Company driver if he wants to continue to drive. Or, find a new line of work. If the market can't support your business, you find a new business... or you complain (whine) about it and accomplish nothing.

My "master plan" involves walking, car pooling, and taking public transit, something most of the rest of America would rather pay for $4/Gal. gas than do.
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Newsflash..Tann ..your individual master plan is actually a servile plan. You car pooling, taking public transportation, walking, riding your tricycle, bigwheel etc. etc. is no more effective than my friend's "idiot" father pissing people off on the Turnpike with his futile protest. As much as I don't agree with what he did I do understand it because when people get desperate they do stupid and desperate things.

Whether he's an independent trucker or a "company" driver the high cost of diesel to haul those Yellow Ribbon "Support the Troops" magnets made in China and sold at Wal-Mart that you buy, and more importantly the food you eat gets passed on to you through price increases.

So again..flawed logic. It is an ISSUE to millions of Americans but maybe not in your ego-centric jackboot world.

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Newsflash..Tann ..your individual master plan is actually a servile plan.
So, having a wide array of options to address the issue is servile, but being shackled to your car because you made poor choices in where you live and where you work and what you do for a living and a fear of alternative ways to get around, that's NOT servile. Yet you go on to call folks in the second group "desperate"?
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Whether he's an independent trucker or a "company" driver the high cost of diesel to haul those Yellow Ribbon "Support the Troops" magnets made in China and sold at Wal-Mart that you buy, and more importantly the food you eat gets passed on to you through price increases.
So you admit that being a company trucker protects a driver from fuel costs, which makes your original assertion dead wrong. Guess you didn't really think about the issue before opining on it, huh? Nothing terribly wrong with that, doesn't make you look like much of a thinker, but again, not the worst thing you could do. Attacking someone who knows more about the issue and has thought more about it, that's the problem. Makes you look like a fool.

Now, a little thought exercise. What's the difference in the price of a box of corn flakes if the gas is $2 a gallon vs. $4 a gallon?
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Hey Dr. Goebbels...your linear orthodox thinking is truly the mark of idiocy. I'll let somebody else who's willing to educate a complete dolt waste their breath on you.You obviously don't think before you write! I'll keep this "thought exercise" short to placate your ADD....

The preferred option of a large majority of Americans is to drive and not have to deal with "Septic" (Septa) and "different people" who seem to scare xenophobic types such as yourself. Having to resort to less than desirable options over preferred options is not exactly "freedom." Most people in this country prefer to drive because it easier even with the price going up which you admitted and you damn well know it. Moreover, a company trucker doesn't protect a consumer from pass through costs dope! Chew on that for a while....As far as your simpleton question. Here's one for you...what will the cost be of a box of Cocoa Puffs at the supermarket if the price of gas is so high that both independent truckers or company truckers don't feel it is worthwhile to even ship it?

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Hey Dr. Goebbels...your linear orthodox thinking is truly the mark of idiocy. I'll let somebody else who's willing to educate a complete dolt waste their breath on you.You obviously don't think before you write! I'll keep this "thought exercise" short to placate your ADD....

The preferred option of a large majority of Americans is to drive and not have to deal with "Septic" (Septa) and "different people" who seem to scare xenophobic types such as yourself. Having to resort to less than desirable options over preferred options is not exactly "freedom." Most people in this country prefer to drive because it easier even with the price going up which you admitted and you damn well know it. Moreover, a company trucker doesn't protect a consumer from pass through costs dope! Chew on that for a while....As far as your simpleton question. Here's one for you...what will the cost be of a box of Cocoa Puffs at the supermarket if the price of gas is so high that both independent truckers or company truckers don't feel it is worthwhile to even ship it?
It might be painful, but people are going to have to adjust to a new reality where cheap energy is not a given. The reason why people are so comfortable with their car-dependent lifestyle has alot to do with the government policies of the past 50 years that encouraged and subsidized suburban, car focused development. Investment in the public transit infrastructure has been lagging comparatively speaking.

You cite Great Britain, but the reason they're gasoline prices are so high is because they tax the hell out of it and invest the money in infrastructure, while encouraging the population to buy more fuel efficient cars. US is probably decades behind in coming to grip with the reality that energy won't be cheap forever, but we're going to have to make adjustments sooner or later.
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The preferred option of a large majority of Americans is to drive and not have to deal with "Septic" (Septa) and "different people" who seem to scare xenophobic types such as yourself.
How is Tannhauser scared of the "different people" riding SEPTA if he's the one advocating public transportation usage?
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