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Old 03-03-2008, 03:31 PM
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Default Leaderless Jihad: closer to street gangs than world-wide conspirators

Many others (liberals, of course) have said as much. What I wonder is which presidential candidate will have the cojones to break the news to America that it really doesn't have to be at war after all.

It won't be McCain. It won't be Hillary. Which leaves....

Former CIA officer Marc Sageman paints a picture of global extremism and offers analysis of where the U.S. is going wrong.
By David Ignatius
Washington Post Writers Group
Saturday, March 1, 2008
WASHINGTON -- Politicians who talk about the terrorism threat -- and it's already clear that this will be a polarizing issue in the 2008 campaign -- should be required to read a new book by a former CIA officer named Marc Sageman. It stands what you think you know about terrorism on its head, and helps you see the topic in a different light.
Sageman has a resume that would suit a postmodern John le Carre. He was a case officer running spies in Pakistan, and then became a forensic psychiatrist. What distinguishes his new book, "Leaderless Jihad," is that it peels away the emotional, reflexive responses to terrorism that have grown up since Sept. 11, 2001, and looks instead at scientific data Sageman has collected on more than 500 Islamic terrorists -- to understand who they are, why they attack and how to stop them.
The heart of Sageman's message is that we have been scaring ourselves into overexaggerating the terrorism threat -- and then by our unwise actions in Iraq making the problem worse. He attacks head-on the central thesis of the Bush administration, echoed increasingly by Republican presidential candidate John McCain, that, as McCain's Web site puts it, the United States is facing "a dangerous, relentless enemy in the War against Islamic Extremists" spawned by al-Qaida.
The numbers say otherwise, Sageman insists. The first wave of al-Qaida leaders, who joined Osama bin Laden in the 1980s, is now down to a few dozen people on the run in the tribal areas of northwest Pakistan. The second wave of terrorists, who trained in al-Qaida's camps in Afghanistan during the 1990s, has also been devastated, with about 100 hiding out on the Pakistani frontier. These people are genuinely dangerous, says Sageman, and they must be captured or killed. But they do not pose an existential threat to America, much less a "clash of civilizations."
It's the third wave of terrorism that is growing, but what is it? By Sageman's account, it's a hodgepodge of thousands of what he calls "terrorist wannabes." Unlike the first two waves, who were well-educated and intensely religious, the new jihadists are a weird species of the Internet culture. Outraged by images of Americans killing Muslims in Iraq, they gather in password-protected chat rooms and dare each other to act. Like young people across time and religious boundaries, they're bored and looking for action.
"It's more about hero worship than about religion," Sageman said in a presentation of his research last week at the New America Foundation, a liberal think tank here. Many of this third wave don't speak Arabic or read the Quran. Very few (13 percent of Sageman's sample) have attended radical madrassas.
Nearly all join the movement because they know or are related to someone who's already in it. Those detained on terrorism charges are getting younger: In Sageman's 2003 sample, the average age was 26; among those arrested after 2006, it was down to about 20. They are disaffected, homicidal kids -- closer to urban gang members than motivated Muslim fanatics.
Sageman's harshest judgment is that the United States is making the terrorism problem worse by its actions in Iraq. "Since 2003, the war in Iraq has without question fueled the process of radicalization worldwide, including the U.S. The data are crystal clear," he writes. We have taken a fire that would otherwise burn itself out and poured gasoline on it.
The third wave of terrorism is inherently self-limiting, Sageman continues. As soon as the amorphous groups gather and train, they make themselves vulnerable to arrest. "As the threat from al-Qaida is self-limiting, so is its appeal, and global Islamist terrorism will probably disappear for internal reasons -- if the United States has the sense to allow it to continue on its course and fade away."
Sageman's policy advice is to "take the glory and thrill out of terrorism." Jettison the rhetoric about Muslim extremism -- these leaderless jihadists are barely Muslims. Stop holding news conferences to announce the latest triumphs in the "global war on terror," which only glamorize the struggle. And reduce the U.S. military footprint in Iraq, which now fuels the Muslim world's sense of moral outrage.
I don't agree with all of Sageman's arguments, especially about the consequences of a quick draw-down in Iraq, but I think he is raising the questions the country needs to ponder this election year.
If Sageman's data are right, we are not facing what President Bush called "the decisive ideological struggle of the 21st century and the calling of our generation," but something that is more limited and manageable -- if we make good decisions.
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they gather in password-protected chat rooms and dare each other to act. Like young people across time and religious boundaries, they're bored and looking for action.

Wow, I never knew how much Phillyblog has in common with Islamic Terrorism.
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Wow, I never knew how much Phillyblog has in common with Islamic Terrorism.
Put it this way. I post here with my real name and would be more worried if I got a threat from a PBer than from "Abdullah" upset over something I'd said about Islam.
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I think Mark Dixon has it exactly backwards. Yes, a lot of the jihadis act like street gangs. Frankly, I think we should take the threats of leaderless street gangs a lot more seriously than we do.

EDITED TO ADD: By this I mean that the thuggery of Al Qaeda in Iraq seemed pretty similar in kind if not in degree to the thuggery in Point Breeze, at least from my vantage point a few blocks north of the latter. The third wave of internet-inspired crazies is also large enough to give one pause. With tens of thousands of would-be shoe bombers, the odds increase that one or two of them will hit. I live pretty close to big tanks of explosives and could do without that one or two targeting my neighborhood.
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With tens of thousands of would-be shoe bombers...
Where do you get this number?
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I'll take shoe bombers seriously when the airport starts taking rectal explosives seriously.

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As our colleagues over at Today in the Sky very diplomatically write, "a US Airways jet headed for Philadelphia was diverted to Las Vegas shortly after it took off from Los Angeles on Tuesday because of a security scare."

The Los Angeles Times this morning has more details about what happened:

Authorities called in the bomb squad early Tuesday and diverted a flight to Las Vegas after Los Angeles International Airport security screeners found hidden wires and other objects in a body cavity of a Philadelphia-bound passenger.

According to the Times:

"Fadhel Al-Maliki, a 35-year-old Iraqi national living in Atlantic City, N.J.," set off a metal detector at LAX. While undergoing a secondary screening told authorities that he knew what had tripped the alarm. He then, according to the Times, "proceeded to remove items from his rectum, including a rock, chewing gum and thin wire filament."

The Times writes that:

A preliminary investigation appeared to rule out a theory that Al-Maliki may have been looking for weaknesses in security or was rehearsing for a terrorist act, federal and local law enforcement authorities said.

During questioning, Al-Maliki said the objects in his rectum were used to alleviate stress, federal law enforcement sources said.

The rock, authorities said he told them, was from another planet. (The Associated Press, by the way, writes that it may have been a magnet.)

As Al-Maliki, who the Times says is now in the custody of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, was being questioned, the plane he was to have been on took off -- with two bags of his on board. That's why the jet was diverted to Las Vegas, where the plane was searched. Nothing hazardous was found.
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I'll take shoe bombers seriously when the airport starts taking rectal explosives seriously.

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This could make an interesting museum collection. Foreign objects removed from the rectums of airline travelers by TSA agents.
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Can I get an amen?

One guy with a faulty shoe bomb and millions of people have to remove their shoes at the airport.

One bogus liquid explosion plot and millions of people have their toothpaste confiscated. I personally lost a bottle of Ballentines when the EU was forced to copy cat the retard policy the US alone was enforcing. Which made the US look extra retarded since they were alone.

But a bomb up a guys ass... big news? No. New security protocols? No.

Anyone feeling safer when they fly? Only sheep. Bah.

I fly out to Philly in a couple days... thus I'm a bit bitter.
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