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03-01-2005, 01:29 PM
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[quote="peacemover"]Steve,
I don't think it was ever said by me or anyone else that we should "let everyone in." Obviously that is not appropriate, and if you know anything about the INS, they will certainly continue to do their screenings, security checks and so forth, as they should- especially in the wake of 9/11. So, the question I ask you is....how can the INS do these "screenings, security checks and so forth" if a million people are sneaking in every year over our inadequately guarded southern border (and maybe the northern one too for all I know)? You would agree, then, that we need to take care that no one gets in "undocumented". I do agree with you that mixed in with the legitimate security concerns, you'll get some bigots and racists who would deny people medical care and so forth. They are horrible and should be ignored. My beef is when legitmate security issues are automatically lumped into that same category. 
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03-01-2005, 02:41 PM
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I agree that strict border control and monitoring of everyone who comes in and out of the country is absolutely essential. We need to do more than just that, however, we need to build more cultural and communicational bridges...
I am reminded of the film "Traffic," which was about the illegal drug trade... they spend the whole film showing about the dangers of drug addiction, etc., and how it is "trafficked" into our country. A point that the film made to me very powerfully about that particular issue is that enforcement is needed, but it is not the end all. You can have the most aggressive enforcement efforts in the world (as we do regarding interdiction against illegal drugs). Still millions and millions of tons of illegal drugs are going to get through the borders despite our best efforts. So what do we need to do? We need to continue to enforce and interdict, but also seek to address the cultural roots of the problem- with drugs- what sorts of cultural situtations breed drug addiction? With immigration, what sorts of situations breed illegal immigration? Then from there we work to find solutions that are equitable and respectful of the human dignity of everyone involved, while preserving the rule of law.
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Peace, John My Librarything . . . . "The brick walls are not there to keep us out. The brick walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something.
Because the brick walls are there to stop the people who don’t want it badly enough.”" -Randy Pausch, from "Achieving Your Childhood Dreams," also known as The Last Lecture
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03-02-2005, 11:02 AM
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A lot of people want to immigrate to America- I think that's great- that says that our nation is still a desirable place to live in the world. THere needs to be equity and justice in how people are approved for immigration, though... both for present citizens and prospective immigrants.
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Peace, John My Librarything . . . . "The brick walls are not there to keep us out. The brick walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something.
Because the brick walls are there to stop the people who don’t want it badly enough.”" -Randy Pausch, from "Achieving Your Childhood Dreams," also known as The Last Lecture
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03-10-2005, 05:39 PM
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WE're Nation Of Immigrants!!!!!
Yea, and so is every other nations. Whether you believe in creation, or evalution, we all came from somewhere else. There's 300 million of us in this country. That's enough for me. But heck, I won't mince my words, we do need better control, more importantly, we need to stop immigration from Mexico and LATAM. Give some others a chance. And no, I don't support this *Last Amnesty* either. The one in the 80's was supposed to be the last, and supposed to fix the problem. It did'nt. www.vdare.com
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03-10-2005, 05:48 PM
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And before any of you start yapping about how these people risk their lives to get here, I'll rebutt with this. If they are willing to risk their lives to get here, then why not, risk their lives to change their own country for the better.
I just read a report that Mexico is actually sending jobs over to China! WTF is that? :what_is_: \ Here's a nice immigration reform website. www.vdare.com Quote:
Really? no sh*t? Hmm, you gonna work in a field all day, picking fruit and veggie for 3 bucks an hour, no saftey net, you get sick, you get no pay, no overtime, no security, etc. Is it any wonder Americans wont work for slave wages in slave type conditions. Ot how about this one. Your a 17 yr old guy, working sanitation in reading PA, your making 10 bucks an hour, overtime, health bennies, the works. Sancho comes up, offers to do the job for 5 an hour, no ot, and no bennies. You get fired, the whole crew gets fired, now the boss will only hire those willing to work for Sancho's wages. Again, any wonder why Americans won't do some jobs? It's called standards. And the generations that came before us, worked, fought, and died, to have those standrds.
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This is today, in about an hour.
Day of Action for Immigrant Justice Love Park - 15th & JFK http://www.cccaction.org/cccaction/april10_index.html http://www.phillyblog.com/philly/cal...&day=2006-4-10
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Like you would have the courage to show up. I'm leaving right now.
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04-10-2006, 01:35 PM
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