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Old 02-05-2008, 04:39 PM
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Default War Crimes Update: Over One Million Dead In Iraq

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...9t9CgxqcZ1wPNw

More than one million Iraqis dead since 2003 invasion: study

LONDON (AFP) — More than one million Iraqis have died because of the
war in Iraq since the US-led invasion of the country in 2003,
according to a study published Wednesday.

A fifth of Iraqi households lost at least one family member between
March 2003 and August 2007 due to the conflict, said data compiled by
London-based Opinion Research Business (ORB) and its research partner
in Iraq, the Independent Institute for Administration and Civil
Society Studies (IIACSS).

The study based its findings on survey work involving the face-to-face
questioning of 2,414 Iraqi adults aged 18 or above, and the last
complete census in Iraq in 1997, which indicated a total of 4.05
million households.

Respondents were asked how many members of their household, if any,
had died as a result of the violence in the country since 2003, and
not because of natural causes.

"We now estimate that the death toll between March 2003 and August
2007 is likely to have been in the order of 1,033,000," ORB said in a
statement.

The margin of error for the survey was 1.7 percent, making the
estimated range between 946,000 and 1.12 million fatalities.

The highest rate of deaths throughout the country occurred in Baghdad,
where more than 40 percent of households had lost a family member.

According to a July 2007 estimate by the United States, Iraq's
population is around 27 million.

The country has been wracked by conflict since the March 2003 invasion
which deposed dictator Saddam Hussein, with United Nations estimates
putting the number of displaced people from the conflict at more than
four million, nearly half of which have fled to neighbouring
countries.

A small number of those refugees have begun returning to Iraq --
around 20,000 arrived from Syria in December -- the Iraqi Red Crescent
said earlier this month, suggesting an improved security situation.
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Old 02-05-2008, 04:51 PM
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As much as I dislike the war, and the loss of life as a result, I also dislike false propaganda, even when it supports my position.

That methodology is sloppy, and the results are nowhere close to what anyone else is estimating anywhere.

IraqBodyCount has the number between 81k to 88k. That's quite a difference from a million.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
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Old 02-05-2008, 05:08 PM
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The IBC site tracks known deaths. Just means their numbers refer to verified corpses rather than an overall statistical estimate of war related fatalities.

IBC freely admits that their methods are not precise and that "gaps in recording and reporting suggest that even our highest totals to date may be missing many civilian deaths from violence."

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IBC’s documentary evidence is drawn from crosschecked media reports of violent events leading to the death of civilians, or of bodies being found, and is supplemented by the careful review and integration of hospital, morgue, NGO and official figures.

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IBC’s figures are not ‘estimates’ but a record of actual, documented deaths.
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The IBC site tracks known deaths. Just means their numbers refer to verified corpses rather than an overall statistical estimate of war related fatalities.

IBC freely admits that their methods are not precise and that "gaps in recording and reporting suggest that even our highest totals to date may be missing many civilian deaths from violence."
Yeah...but there's quite a difference between under 100k and more than a million.

And like i said, the methodolgy in your link is sloppy. They surveyed a very miniscule part of the population, most likely in the "green zone", doubt they were running around the desert trackind down all the nomads. And then applied those surveys to pre-war demographics.

Personally, I think 80k deaths is quite apalling enough. If that's not enough to make someone question the humanitarian results of this war, no number will. And throwing out skewed, radical studies only damages the veracity of everyone opposed to the war.
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More than one million Iraqis dead since 2003 invasion: study
Hilarious! "War Crimes", One million dead Iraqis, The Daily Show is a good source for news.
Ezra, you truly are the village idiot.
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Hilarious! "War Crimes", One million dead Iraqis, The Daily Show is a good source for news.
Ezra, you truly are the village idiot.
Are they tracking people who died from natural causes too?

How about cowards who died a thousand deaths as opposed to the brave who died only one. Those cowards really tip the balance.
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How about cowards who died a thousand deaths as opposed to the brave who died only one. Those cowards really tip the balance.
My nominee for post of the day.
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My nominee for post of the day.
Thanks pal.

It tripped off my tongue and just hit the keyboard.
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How about cowards who died a thousand deaths as opposed to the brave who died only one. Those cowards really tip the balance.
An excellent point.

I can visualize the polling....

Census Person : Sir, how many people in your household have died due to this war?

Iraqi : Well... there was Ahmed... that's one. Shaheen the son of a female cur in heat... Alia got blown up on her way to the market the other day... that makes 1002.

CP : Thank you for your time.

Iraqi : Peace be unto you.
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Old 02-06-2008, 07:36 AM
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Hilarious! "War Crimes", One million dead Iraqis, The Daily Show is a good source for news.
Ezra, you truly are the village idiot.
Fir Tree...
Oh Fir Tree...
Thou art so divorced from realitee.

Thou done scoff at Satire.
Mayhaps it be too complex and scary forsooth?
Why art thou a hater?

What would Bush do?
What would Bush do?
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