PhillyBlog - Philadelphia  

Go Back   PhillyBlog - Philadelphia > Where We Are > The World
Blogs Map Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read
Google
 
Web www.phillyblog.com

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #21 (permalink)  
Old 03-04-2008, 05:22 PM
jizay jizay is online now
Cheesesteak GURU! Wiz with
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,150
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by aubin View Post
There is a difference between hating this war and seeing it for the disaster it has been, and being anti american. The problem with some people on this board is that they equate criticism of their particular position with being anti american. Not sure how they got that right, but it gets a tad old to read it over and over again.
What gets old is reading over and over again some simplistic junk supporting a wingnut by saying that hating the war is not anti-american. No one is calling Ezra out on his lack of support for the war. They're calling him out on his consistent and blatant distortions that aim to paint the US in the worst possible light. He has never said anything positive about the US, but often makes unjustifiable or even false negative statements about the US. That pretty much defines someone as being anti-american.
Reply With Quote
  #22 (permalink)  
Old 03-04-2008, 06:43 PM
Malloy's Avatar
Malloy Malloy is offline
Cheesesteak GURU! Wiz with
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: East Falls
Posts: 13,018
Default

You show vids of dogs and cats getting blown up by IEDs which were planted by Iraqis. Not better

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
Sorry... this better?

Soldiers blow up dog, find it funny
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a4b_1198349822
soldiers blow up another dog, find it funny
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1be_1204379225&p=1
Here is a bbc docu. where a soldier kills a dog, a longer version exist, shows the dogs owner coming out visibly upset, nothing he can do, he has a heavily armed invading army in his backyard.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wj32twJXxsY&
Soldiers, tormenting a dog...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fy_BSksdvAM
Soldiers shoot another dog
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=54e_1182844511
Soldiers throw grenade at sheepherder/sheep and find it funny
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ULcj-Epr1rI&
Soldier shoots yet another dog
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0a5ee2d6eb
killing civilians in front of their children
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSTI3Ast45Q
scaring an injured puppy repeatedly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK2BTt9_YJk
blowing up a kitten and cheering
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=64d_1199566522&p=1
Reply With Quote
  #23 (permalink)  
Old 03-04-2008, 07:38 PM
MayfairMeat MayfairMeat is online now
Processed Luncheon Loaf
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: A place the panhandlers don't know about
Posts: 16,341
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tannhauser View Post
So when AQIZ goes into a town, rounds up all the men, takes them to the edge of town, and the next morning the soccer field is full of human heads, that's the U.S.'s fault?
You really have a pathological disdain for America, ezra.
The soccer killing field was actually a trademark of the Taliban, it wasn't evern Saddam's playbook. That was in Afghanistan.
__________________
Buh-bye.
Reply With Quote

Advertisement

   
     
  #24 (permalink)  
Old 03-04-2008, 07:48 PM
rpost3 rpost3 is offline
Water Ice Vendor
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Center City
Posts: 905
Default

Philly Weekly keeps a weekly tally of the Iraqi death toll via an independent source, and it's nowhere 1,000,000.

When you inflate the numbers, it means you don't think the number of people who actually have died is bad enough.

Good job.
Reply With Quote
  #25 (permalink)  
Old 03-04-2008, 07:59 PM
rpost3 rpost3 is offline
Water Ice Vendor
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Center City
Posts: 905
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
The "compassionate conservatives" on the board aren't overly concerned about human deaths. Non-American human death I should say.

Maybe this will pull a heart string...

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/4346...oit_puppy.html

*spoiler alert*

its a puppy being hurled off a cliff by an American soldier... don't watch it if you don't want to see that.
I've seen bullsh*t UFO videos that looked more real than that. That dog wasn't even moving when it was in the dude's hand, even when he jacked it back to throw it.

So basically you won't believe anything our government or media says regarding this war, but you'll buy the authenticity of that video, no questions asked. Nice job, ya dope.

You really have to bring more to the table than that. That was weak.

For the record, I'm against the war and have been from the beginning.
Reply With Quote
  #26 (permalink)  
Old 03-04-2008, 11:33 PM
Tannhauser's Avatar
Tannhauser Tannhauser is online now
Cheesesteak GURU! Wiz with
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,588
Blog Entries: 4
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
Sorry... this better?
It couldn't be any better.

No truer illustration of what a gullible moron you are could be imagined than this post. Par for the course of your "The Daily Show is an excellent news source" philosophy, you post a bunch of fake, misleading, out of context video clips hosted by youtube and liveleak.
Of course, it never occurred to you that if those videos were real, they'd be all over CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC etc. Because in your non-discerning world, anything that crosses your radar is true, so long as it backs up your warped perceptions. "Man, guys, did you see what happened to Tokyo last night? Godzilla and Mothra totally destroyed it!"

What could you possibly be thinking when you post this garbage? Certainly not that anyone will believe it, since opponents of OIF are dumping on you, as they usually do. Is this some sort of intellectual "learning to crawl" type of sandbox for you? For that one day when you're not dumber than a bowl of mice? Truly, you have no shame, but for the rest of the board, stop this idiocy as it embarrasses normal people for you.
__________________
The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? The Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? - Psalm 27:1
Reply With Quote
  #27 (permalink)  
Old 03-04-2008, 11:35 PM
Tannhauser's Avatar
Tannhauser Tannhauser is online now
Cheesesteak GURU! Wiz with
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,588
Blog Entries: 4
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by EastChestnut View Post
The soccer killing field was actually a trademark of the Taliban, it wasn't evern Saddam's playbook. That was in Afghanistan.
E/C? AQIZ = Al Queda in Iraq, Zarqawi. It has nothing to do with Saddam, as per the context.
__________________
The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? The Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? - Psalm 27:1
Reply With Quote
  #28 (permalink)  
Old 03-05-2008, 02:24 AM
phillyaggie's Avatar
phillyaggie phillyaggie is offline
Cheesesteak GURU! Wiz with
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Timbuktu
Posts: 3,821
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by aubin View Post
I heard the one million dead were all freedom haters, so they totally deserved it. At least all their family members can enjoy the tranquil, stable democracy that we have created there in the last few years. Thank god we didn't lose any soldiers and that the oil paid for all of it.

Oh wait, none of that is true.

There is a difference between hating this war and seeing it for the disaster it has been, and being anti american. The problem with some people on this board is that they equate criticism of their particular position with being anti american. Not sure how they got that right, but it gets a tad old to read it over and over again.

Nicely put. Too bad, I can't muster the calm to write it that way when I read shear sh(t written by the likes of tanny on these pages. Makes me want to go take a shower and not visit the PB forums most often visited by numbnuts like those.
__________________
Remedy for Electile Dysfunction: http://www.votenader.org/index.html



9/14, quote on elections, because shosh had to put up that thoughtful writeup on mediocrity and elitism:
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." — H. L. Mencken
Reply With Quote
  #29 (permalink)  
Old 03-05-2008, 09:41 AM
jizay jizay is online now
Cheesesteak GURU! Wiz with
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,150
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tannhauser View Post
What could you possibly be thinking when you post this garbage? Certainly not that anyone will believe it,
Oh, lots of people believe it. Look at some of those youtube videos and open all of the comments. I've never seen the phrase "dirty kuffar" so much in my life. I guess that would be Ezra's company.

Quote:
Originally Posted by phillyaggie View Post
Nicely put. Too bad, I can't muster the calm to write it that way when I read shear sh(t written by the likes of tanny on these pages. Makes me want to go take a shower and not visit the PB forums most often visited by numbnuts like those.
Please don't then. You don't even live in Philly. As explained to Aubin (in regard to Ezra), there's a difference between opposing the war and vile anti-Americanism. Your post in the other active thread in the world forum is absolutely disgusting and also crosses that line. What's most remarkable is that your family left your country of origin because it sucked and specifically chose the US. Yet, you use language like "pillage" with regard to the US in Iraq, which is absolutely indefensible. Intellectual arguments against the war should be able to stand on their own. What is the motivation behind portraying the US as much worse than it is? That's a sickness.
Reply With Quote
  #30 (permalink)  
Old 03-05-2008, 09:45 AM
Ezra's Avatar
Ezra Ezra is offline
Cheesesteak GURU! Wiz with
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Earth
Posts: 4,179
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jizay View Post
What gets old is reading over and over again some simplistic junk supporting a wingnut by saying that hating the war is not anti-american. No one is calling Ezra out on his lack of support for the war. They're calling him out on his consistent and blatant distortions that aim to paint the US in the worst possible light. He has never said anything positive about the US, but often makes unjustifiable or even false negative statements about the US. That pretty much defines someone as being anti-american.
Jizay... there is NO shortage of fluff news. You are bombarded 24/7. You don't need me to tell you happy stories and send you photos of cute puppies.



I consider myself pro-American because I don't want the bad news to be swept under the rug. I want it in the bright spot light. I want to squeak until the wheel gets fixed. Not that I think I can have an impact but I do hope that keeping the issues alive in some small way (very very small... all I do is post things that bother me on PB... and it's mainly cathartic) will lead to positive change. There can be NO change if noone is aware of the problems. You are VERY aware of Paris Hilton and Roger Clemens and Lindsey Lohan.

Everyone here see American Gangster and Serpico? When the moral guy goes up against corruption in the system, everyone in the system tells him to shut the F up. Until the system gets cleansed and then he's the good guy. As a Patriot, I'll keep bitching about America's flaws until there is nothing to bitch about. You can counter me by telling me some happy stories.

I will continue to harp on the negative. I see the positive but I don't feel I need to be the one to point it out. That task is well covered. Most people want to think about kitten sneezes and rainbows rather than Katrina or Iraq.

I don't intentionally make false statements. Yes, my sources can be biased, so please do tell me when I am mistaken. I don't take offense to being corrected. I am prone to hyperbole but I still stand by the 1,000,000 or so figure. That number to me feels "truthie". But I don't want my choice of number to become the topic. I'll gladly cut it back to some agreed upon figure (IBC for example or the Lancet study if it helps further the discussion on how to make it stop.

Quote:
The medical journal, The Lancet, published two peer-reviewed studies on the effect of the 2003 invasion of Iraq and subsequent occupation on Iraqi mortality, the first in 2004, the second (by many of the same authors) in 2006. The studies estimate the number of excess deaths caused by the occupation, both direct (combatants plus non-combatants) and indirect (due to increased lawlessness, degraded infrastructure, poor healthcare, etc.).

The first survey[1] published on 29 October 2004, estimated 98,000 excess Iraqi deaths (with a range of 8,000 to 194,000, using a 95% confidence interval (CI)) from the 2003 invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq to that time, or about 50% higher than the death rate prior to the invasion. The authors described this as a conservative estimate, because it excluded the extreme statistical outlier data from Falluja. If the Falluja cluster were included, the mortality estimate would increase to 150% over pre-invasion rates (95% CI: 1.6 to 4.2).

The second survey[2][3][4] published on 11 October 2006, estimated 654,965 excess deaths related to the war, or 2.5% of the population, through the end of June 2006. The new study applied similar methods and involved surveys between May 20 and July 10, 2006.[4] More households were surveyed, allowing for a 95% confidence interval of 392,979 to 942,636 excess Iraqi deaths. 601,027 deaths (range of 426,369 to 793,663 using a 95% confidence interval) were due to violence. 31% of those were attributed to the Coalition, 24% to others, 46% unknown. The causes of violent deaths were gunshot (56%), car bomb (13%), other explosion/ordnance (14%), air strike (13%), accident (2%), unknown (2%).
I'd rather discuss Tann's POV that it's a good thing, a pro-American thing, that the murders in Iraq now are because of the US Military and not Saddam.
__________________
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
Those who count the votes decide everything." - Josef Stalin

http://www.thosewhocount.com/
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:20 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.