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#71 (**permalink**) 01-02-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DrGoogle

Can someone explain why the United States, who supposedly believes in democracy, allowed Pervez Musharraff to throw all of Pakistan's Supreme Court Justices in jail when they were about to rule his self-extended stay as leader, unconsitutional. Not only did the U.S. allow him to retire the judiciary but we also continue supply weapons and billions of dollars to them. You can be sure this $$$ is not being used to fight Al-Queda. Rather, this money and arms will end up being used against us.

Classically Flawed American Policy as usual. We only care about short-term interests that in the end, will come back to haunt us.

On TV I've seen a lot of conservatives take the stance that if the people of a country don't want to revolt, as we did, against tyranny, then we shouldn't help them. On the more benevolent side, we'd have to get in there and do some serious killing every time such a thing happened just to settle things down, and as a country people don't like that.

phillyaggie · #72 (**permalink**) 01-02-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAdlerian

I agree.

However, it's always, always getting challenged through corruption and the masses actually supporting fascist ideas such as censorship, religion, the promotion of royalty systems, and lack of equal opportunity.That says something about what many actually believe.

And you don't think the system and its major power-brokers are corrupt in USA and France?

Corruption and "fascist ideas" on religion have been espoused with increasing ferocity and voter backing in America in recent times and history shows a fervent religiosity of various stripes in the more distant past as well.

So you're saying that the democractic system keeps getting challenged. Well, which system hasn't ever been challenged? Status quo is always challenged by those that want to or those that feel they can do better (for themselves, mostly).

#73 (**permalink**) 01-02-2008, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyaggie

And you don't think the system and its major power-brokers are corrupt in USA and France?

Corruption and "fascist ideas" on religion have been espoused with increasing ferocity and voter backing in America in recent times and history shows a fervent religiosity of various stripes in the more distant past as well.

So you're saying that the democractic system keeps getting challenged. Well, which system hasn't ever been challenged? Status quo is always challenged by those that want to or those that feel they can do better (for themselves, mostly).

Seriously, the sewer systems hasn't been challenged because everyone wants to eliminate their waste products into a toilet. Even environmentalists like the toilet and toilet paper. They're both inventions which are totally unnatural and yet almost universally embraced.

Anyway, the corruption that you mentioned is constant and is a sign that democracy isn't natural or liked by many people.

DrGoogle · #74 (**permalink**) 01-03-2008, 02:43 AM

Well looks what happened. Condi urged Musharaf to lift emergency rule. She mad no plee whatsoever to free the lawyers and Supreme Court Justices. The entire purpose of the emergency rule was to dissolve the judiciary branch. And so Musharaff, at the U.S's urging, lifted the emergency rule and self appoints his own Supreme court Justices.

You figure we'd be like "not so fast" but Condi applauds Musharaff for quickly lifting the emergency rule and "restoring" democratic rule.

What a freakin joke. Its as if this whole issue was solved. The American people are clueless, the press plays Condi's high remarks ad nauseum, Musharaff remains our trusted ally, and nobody recognizes that America just implicitly allowed Musharaff to worsen the conditions of Pakistan.

This is why we have no credibility abroad. And this is also why, smarter Americans like myself, do not trust our government

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Originally Posted by Tannhauser

Why did we "allow" him to do something?
Well, your question is, if nothing else, a breath of fresh air from those who constantly whine about American Hegemony.
What would you have suggested we'd done?