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Old 12-20-2007, 11:56 AM
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Default Consensus on Global Warming? Senate Report Debunks "Consensus"

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U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007
Senate Report Debunks "Consensus"
INTRODUCTION:
Over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries recently voiced significant objections to major aspects of the so-called "consensus" on man-made global warming. These scientists, many of whom are current and former participants in the UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), criticized the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore.
The new report issued by the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee’s office of the GOP Ranking Member details the views of the scientists, the overwhelming majority of whom spoke out in 2007.

Even some in the establishment media now appears to be taking notice of the growing number of skeptical scientists. In October, the Washington Post Staff Writer Juliet Eilperin conceded the obvious, writing that climate skeptics "appear to be expanding rather than shrinking." Many scientists from around the world have dubbed 2007 as the year man-made global warming fears “bites the dust.” (LINK)
This blockbuster Senate report lists the scientists by name, country of residence, and academic/institutional affiliation. It also features their own words, biographies, and weblinks to their peer reviewed studies and original source materials as gathered from public statements, various news outlets, and websites in 2007. This new “consensus busters” report is poised to redefine the debate.
Many of the scientists featured in this report consistently stated that numerous colleagues shared their views, but they will not speak out publicly for fear of retribution. Atmospheric scientist Dr. Nathan Paldor, Professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, author of almost 70 peer-reviewed studies, explains how many of his fellow scientists have been intimidated.

“Many of my colleagues with whom I spoke share these views and report on their inability to publish their skepticism in the scientific or public media,” Paldor wrote. [Note: See also July 2007 Senate report detailing how skeptical scientists have faced threats and intimidation - LINK ]

Scientists from Around the World Dissent


Israel: Dr. Nathan Paldor, Professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem has authored almost 70 peer-reviewed studies and won several awards. “First, temperature changes, as well as rates of temperature changes (both increase and decrease) of magnitudes similar to that reported by IPCC to have occurred since the Industrial revolution (about 0.8C in 150 years or even 0.4C in the last 35 years) have occurred in Earth's climatic history. There's nothing special about the recent rise!”

Russia: Russian scientist Dr. Oleg Sorochtin of the Institute of Oceanology at the Russian Academy of Sciences has authored more than 300 studies, nine books, and a 2006 paper titled “The Evolution and the Prediction of Global Climate Changes on Earth.” “Even if the concentration of ‘greenhouse gases’ double man would not perceive the temperature impact,” Sorochtin wrote.

Spain: Anton Uriarte, a professor of Physical Geography at the University of the Basque Country in Spain and author of a book on the paleoclimate, rejected man-made climate fears in 2007. “There's no need to be worried. It's very interesting to study [climate change], but there's no need to be worried,” Uriate wrote.

Netherlands: Atmospheric scientist Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, a scientific pioneer in the development of numerical weather prediction and former director of research at The Netherlands' Royal National Meteorological Institute, and an internationally recognized expert in atmospheric boundary layer processes, “I find the Doomsday picture Al Gore is painting – a six-meter sea level rise, fifteen times the IPCC number – entirely without merit,” Tennekes wrote. “I protest vigorously the idea that the climate reacts like a home heating system to a changed setting of the thermostat: just turn the dial, and the desired temperature will soon be reached."

Brazil: Chief Meteorologist Eugenio Hackbart of the MetSul Meteorologia Weather Center in Sao Leopoldo – Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil declared himself a skeptic. “The media is promoting an unprecedented hyping related to global warming. The media and many scientists are ignoring very important facts that point to a natural variation in the climate system as the cause of the recent global warming,” Hackbart wrote on May 30, 2007.

France: Climatologist Dr. Marcel Leroux, former professor at Université Jean Moulin and director of the Laboratory of Climatology, Risks, and Environment in Lyon, is a climate skeptic. Leroux wrote a 2005 book titled Global Warming – Myth or Reality? - The Erring Ways of Climatology. “Day after day, the same mantra - that ‘the Earth is warming up’ - is churned out in all its forms. As ‘the ice melts’ and ‘sea level rises,’ the Apocalypse looms ever nearer! Without realizing it, or perhaps without wishing to, the average citizen in bamboozled, lobotomized, lulled into mindless ac*ceptance. ... Non-believers in the greenhouse scenario are in the position of those long ago who doubted the existence of God ... fortunately for them, the Inquisition is no longer with us!”

Norway: Geologist/Geochemist Dr. Tom V. Segalstad, a professor and head of the Geological Museum at the University of Oslo and formerly an expert reviewer with the UN IPCC: “It is a search for a mythical CO2 sink to explain an immeasurable CO2 lifetime to fit a hypothetical CO2 computer model that purports to show that an impossible amount of fossil fuel burning is heating the atmosphere. It is all a fiction.”

Finland: Dr. Boris Winterhalter, retired Senior Marine Researcher of the Geological Survey of Finland and former professor of marine geology at University of Helsinki, criticized the media for what he considered its alarming climate coverage. “The effect of solar winds on cosmic radiation has just recently been established and, furthermore, there seems to be a good correlation between cloudiness and variations in the intensity of cosmic radiation. Here we have a mechanism which is a far better explanation to variations in global climate than the attempts by IPCC to blame it all on anthropogenic input of greenhouse gases. “
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Old 12-21-2007, 11:45 AM
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This is all anyone ever wanted to hear.

I'm one of those "deniers" because I've never bought the claims for global warming at face value. Do I think there is an issue to be addressed? Of course I do, but the hype around global warming seems more trendy than anything right now, and the people who are the loudest about this wouldn't really care at all if they didn't get some spotlight or face time out of this.

The worst part of it all though is the invention of Carbon Credits...the biggest sham in history IMO. I hope it doesn't go any further then that.
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I agree.

It seems to me that there ought to be a lot more objectivity about the issue. Since there isn't, it sounds like marketing "doom" which has been going on since biblical times.
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Give me a break. If you look hard enough, you can find 400 "scientists" who agree that the earth is hollow and that Mars is inhabited by reptilian mermen.

Face it. The earth is getting steadily and increasingly warmer and it is due to man-made causes, namely the emission of greenhouse gases.

Denying the problem isn't going to make it go away. Sorry.
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Give me a break. If you look hard enough, you can find 400 "scientists" who agree that the earth is hollow and that Mars is inhabited by reptilian mermen.
Good point! Any "scientist" can also sign up to say Manhattan will be submerged in the next 25 years.

Thank you for making our argument for us.
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Give me a break. If you look hard enough, you can find 400 "scientists" who agree that the earth is hollow and that Mars is inhabited by reptilian mermen.

Face it. The earth is getting steadily and increasingly warmer and it is due to man-made causes, namely the emission of greenhouse gases.

Denying the problem isn't going to make it go away. Sorry.
How do you know this?

Did you know that Afghanistan used to be heavily forested 500 years ago, and now there's nothing there. That was due to global climate change long before the existence of modern machines. Twenty million years ago it was so hot that the Antarctic had plants on it, and giant lizards.

Too much has gone on during the Earth's history to jump to conclusions.
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Twenty million years ago it was so hot that the Antarctic had plants on it, and giant lizards.
I'll assume you have no knowledge of plate tectonics.

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Too much has gone on during the Earth's history to jump to conclusions.
True, but when the future of the planet is in peril, isn't it better to be safe than sorry?
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True, but when the future of the planet is in peril, isn't it better to be safe than sorry?


No. Because every Econut can use that question as their bottom line argument.

"Yeah, our predictions of sci-fi movie gloom and doom may have nothing behind it but projections. But, if we are right, then we are all dead! You don't want to be dead, do you?"


I say this: The planet is doing just fine. And if it was not, the only thing that could save us was a giant water balloon that we would shoot at the Sun.
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9 out of 10 Dentists agree..

When the north pole melts the gulf stream stops and everything north of Mexico gets a little more chilly than expected.



Welcome to the Jersey Shore.


No seriously..




This is how it works..

Melt those poles and it stops.


and the Garden of Eden comes back.

no seriously...this already happened before.




From Nasa... by boring carbon and testing it.



Oh.. I'm not saying we can stop it... that **** just happens.
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Wow, post a thread with this title and it's like shining the Retard Bat-Sign over the city.
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