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Old 10-24-2007, 09:33 PM
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Shouldn't the state of California have a fleet of Chinook helicopters especially retrofitted to carry large payloads of water? It seems like if they had 5 or 6 of these, they could at least keep really large fires like this in check by rotating them in and out to fill with sea water and dump it on the hot spots.

Do they have these in use? If not, why not?

Not sure, but I thought I heard on the news that high winds are preventing this.
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Old 10-24-2007, 09:49 PM
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Shouldn't the state of California have a fleet of Chinook helicopters especially retrofitted to carry large payloads of water? It seems like if they had 5 or 6 of these, they could at least keep really large fires like this in check by rotating them in and out to fill with sea water and dump it on the hot spots.

Do they have these in use? If not, why not?
They do have some "super-scoopers" - airplanes that can scoop up ocean water and drop it (2 i think; a few years ago they borrowed 1 or 2 from British Columbia). They also have 10-15 or so water-dropping helicopters (some of whom are using pool water now). However, when the Santa Ana winds are blowing as hard as they have been for the past few days, you cannot fly a helicopter or a low-flying aircraft without endangering the crew and anyone on the ground. The winds are too strong and too variable for safe flying. This does not mean that some pilots won't go up, but most are grounded.

In these kinds of conditions, the winds are the real culprit; they're hot and dry (it's like walking into a furnace when they're blowing; I still do double takes out here when the winds are actually cooling) and come off the desert, so they carry no moisture, funnel through the mountains picking up speed as they go, and then scream down into the valleys. They act like a bellows in a fireplace on any kind of spark.

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That's a good explanation. That Santa Ana is a bitch.
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I also just saw pictures of specially outfitted 747s and DC-10s dropping water along with KC-10s. These planes could really only go up today once the winds died down.

Things seem to be slowly coming under control; a friend just e-mailed that at least the sky wasn't pumpkin-colored today. It's still incredibly smoky and ash-filled, but she can't see flames or reflection of flames today.
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Shouldn't the state of California have a fleet of Chinook helicopters especially retrofitted to carry large payloads of water? It seems like if they had 5 or 6 of these, they could at least keep really large fires like this in check by rotating them in and out to fill with sea water and dump it on the hot spots.

Do they have these in use? If not, why not?

Calis had/has over 90 firefighting aircraft on the runways...but you know that thing that started this little thing..the Santa Anas... well high winds and manmade aircraft are NOT 2 peas in a pod if you know what i mean
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Calis had/has over 90 firefighting aircraft on the runways...but you know that thing that started this little thing..the Santa Anas... well high winds and manmade aircraft are NOT 2 peas in a pod if you know what i mean
Stop spreading the truth your being a hinderance to all the conspiracy theorists. I'm sure when the smoke clears(no pun intended, ok pun intended) it will all fall on the shoulders of Iraq, race, Feds denial of help. I'm sure if Don Abrams and the SF Chronicle state that type of garbage, it's nothing but the truth.
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A disturbing twist:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...eda-fire_x.htm

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I blame George Bush and republicans in congress.
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I blame George Bush and republicans in congress.

Right, and I blame him for the Lindberg kidnapping.
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