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Old 10-12-2007, 01:19 PM
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I'm amazed that he won it.

Global warming may or may not be a reality and if it is, then it could just be a natural cycle of the Earth. Since Gore isn't a scientist he did nothing but think and talk about the issue from his own perspective.

I don't get it.
He didn't win it for his scientific prowess. He shared the award with the IPCC. Read it from the source.

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THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE FOR 2007

The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2007 is to be shared, in two equal parts, between the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and Albert Arnold (Al) Gore Jr. for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change.

Indications of changes in the earth’s future climate must be treated with the utmost seriousness, and with the precautionary principle uppermost in our minds. Extensive climate changes may alter and threaten the living conditions of much of mankind. They may induce large-scale migration and lead to greater competition for the earth’s resources. Such changes will place particularly heavy burdens on the world’s most vulnerable countries. There may be increased danger of violent conflicts and wars, within and between states.

Through the scientific reports it has issued over the past two decades, the IPCC has created an ever-broader informed consensus about the connection between human activities and global warming. Thousands of scientists and officials from over one hundred countries have collaborated to achieve greater certainty as to the scale of the warming. Whereas in the 1980s global warming seemed to be merely an interesting hypothesis, the 1990s produced firmer evidence in its support. In the last few years, the connections have become even clearer and the consequences still more apparent.

Al Gore has for a long time been one of the world’s leading environmentalist politicians. He became aware at an early stage of the climatic challenges the world is facing. His strong commitment, reflected in political activity, lectures, films and books, has strengthened the struggle against climate change. He is probably the single individual who has done most to create greater worldwide understanding of the measures that need to be adopted.

By awarding the Nobel Peace Prize for 2007 to the IPCC and Al Gore, the Norwegian Nobel Committee is seeking to contribute to a sharper focus on the processes and decisions that appear to be necessary to protect the world’s future climate, and thereby to reduce the threat to the security of mankind. Action is necessary now, before climate change moves beyond man’s control.

Oslo, 12 October 2007
http://nobelpeaceprize.org/eng_lau_announce2007.html
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Old 10-12-2007, 01:25 PM
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You are in psychology right? There's far more hard science in support of global warming than in your entire field. This statement boldly mistates scientific consensus. Yes there are dissenters but there are "scientists" who claim HIV doesn't cause AIDS also.
Psychology is more philosophy based than science based. That's because we cannot observe someone's thought process, which is the guiding force behind all actions, so it's actually way more complex than science. The human mind is very dynamic and can change by the second, and the scientific method can't handle that. Even if we had a machine which could read your every thought it would be tough. So, to compare real psychology with science is like comparing the building of a rocket to why someone's wife stopped loving them.

Meanwhile, I've been interested in environmental issues since the late 80s due to the doomsday ozone hole mystery, which cleared up because we stopped using canned deodorant (insert wry smileface). The problem with the GW research is that it's all very circumstantial and does not account for past extremely hot conditions on Earth.
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Also not sure how it falls under the peace prize.
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Extensive climate changes may alter and threaten the living conditions of much of mankind. They may induce large-scale migration and lead to greater competition for the earth’s resources. Such changes will place particularly heavy burdens on the world’s most vulnerable countries. There may be increased danger of violent conflicts and wars, within and between states.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Prevention against something that MAY occur and MAY cause violent conflicts and wars....Seems like a weak reason to me. I wonder who was snubbed who was more deserving?
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Old 10-12-2007, 01:41 PM
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He didn't win it for his scientific prowess. He shared the award with the IPCC. Read it from the source.
Yeah, I get it, but how does spreading possible pseudo-science inspire peace? It's my impression that such ideas spread a kind of dread and terror.

I recall during the ozone hole nonsense that there was collective dread that people would get increasing amounts of skin cancer to the point where it would be unstoppable. Recently, I read on another board a message written by a kid in Scotland, and he was worried about burning to death along with his family. I explained the possible BS surrounding the subject, and the BBC has produced some anti-BS material as well.

I think the whole subject is dubious.
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Old 10-12-2007, 01:45 PM
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With whom shall I place my faith? An international team of Nobel Prize winning scientists or a couple of anonymous internet guys?

Hmmmm. It's just too close to call.
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Do reasonable persons still consider 'Global Warming' a hoax?
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With whom shall I place my faith? An international team of Nobel Prize winning scientists or a couple of anonymous internet guys?

Hmmmm. It's just too close to call.
Well, I stand to make no profit from my remarks, but there's plenty of book and grant money out there for so called scientists with sensational crap to sell.

The best bet is to believe me friend.
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No one considers it a hoax, just the main cause for it....Humans or nature.
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Prevention against something that MAY occur and MAY cause violent conflicts and wars....Seems like a weak reason to me. I wonder who was snubbed who was more deserving?
So I guess you'll be cancelling all of your insurance policies? After all, their defined purpose is to prevent financial hardship in case something MAY happen. Pretty weak reason to pay those premiums, right? Just take your chances, you might be ok. Your house probably won't burn down. And if it does, you can just move to another one, no problem. Just like we could colonate the moon with all of the earth's population, no problem.
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