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Old 10-10-2004, 02:50 AM
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Austrailian prime minister John Howard won decisively. The msm will downplay this, of course, but you just know we'd be hearing no end of it if it had gone the other way:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...?oneclick=true

Afghanistan votes in an historic election. Extra special points to the first liberal who finds a way to deride it:

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_...55E401,00.html

And on Saturday, Rasumussen released a tracking poll showing Bush at 50%, the first time either candidate hit that number:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Pres...cking_Poll.htm

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Old 10-10-2004, 10:41 PM
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Afghanistan votes in an historic election. Extra special points to the first liberal who finds a way to deride it:

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_...55E401,00.html
Hmmm, we forgot to buy indelible ink to make sure people don't vote more than once. Well, maybe they won't notice and try to vote twice if we use washable ink instead. ...
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Old 10-11-2004, 11:09 AM
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Winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For a chance to advance to the Bonus Round (remember, points are double here!) try to characterize the mujahedeen threats to disrupt the elections as the actions of Noble Freedom Fighters.

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Old 10-11-2004, 11:47 AM
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And on Saturday, Rasumussen released a tracking poll showing Bush at 50%, the first time either candidate hit that number:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Pres...cking_Poll.htm
Maybe on Rasmussen, but the AP had Kerry at 50% last Thursday.
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Also, Rasmussen didn't really have Bush at 50 - that was rounded off. Instead, it was 49.6 and has dropped to 49.5. Rasumussan keeps things by tenths of a point.

And having to defend the WMD report can't be good. Also, the Iraqi defense minister gave as speech in which he said troop training wasn't going well and that the "coalition" forces would be needed for roughly 15 years.

But then again, McGee is grasping at straws .. . and I don't blame him. :rolling_:
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For a chance to advance to the Bonus Round (remember, points are double here!) try to characterize the mujahedeen threats to disrupt the elections as the actions of Noble Freedom Fighters.
That should be easy; i'll just look up some of Reagan's old speeches.

Oh, i forgot. They were "freedom fighters" when they were fighting the Soviet puppet regime, but when they try to destablize a U.S. backed leader, they're "terrorists."

In all seriousness, i'm glad to read today that despite the ink screw-up, Karzai's rivals are accepting the results and won't demand a new election, but instead will file their challenges. According to the Wash Post:

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Several of Karzai's key opponents said Sunday that they would accept an impartial investigation into the allegations of multiple voting and ink mix-ups, rather than insisting that the entire election be declared invalid and held again.
I'm thrilled that there was little or no violence and that the Taliban weren't able to prevent people from voting in large numbers.

A victory for the people of Afghanistan, but hardly a victory for "conservatives."
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And a victory for the United Nations, which oversaw the election. Unfortunately, our current president doesn't like that organization very much.

But, hopefully, we all agree with Dad. It is a victory for the Afghan people (albeit a small one). Most experts would have prefered that they have a legislature and a court system first so we have to hope that Karzai moves on those.

And as for a Karzai win, he was the only candidate who could travel throughout the country. He got to ride in U.S. military airplaines and was surrounded by U.S. special forces.

And I like Karzai.
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A victory for the people of Afghanistan, but hardly a victory for "conservatives."
Considering none of it would have happened without Bush and conservative political support, yes, a very big victory for conservatives and the conservative agenda.

There are certainly problems left in Afghanistan -- from the Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

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Elections, of course, are never panaceas, and it would be wrong to overlook the many ways in which Afghanistan's political and economic reconstruction remains tenuous. Security is still a major problem in southern provinces, where 13 percent of the population lives. There and in the north, warlords have considerably more authority than the central government. The United States and other Western countries have been inexcusably slow to deploy peacekeeping troops around the country. Most threatening of all may be Afghanistan's booming opium production, which is fueling corruption and providing warlords, the Taliban and probably al Qaeda with a lucrative source of income.
but you'd have to do a ton of mental gymnastics to characterize things as anything less than succesful

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Yet it also would be foolish to discount the advances Afghanistan has made in the past three years. Not only has most of the country enjoyed relative peace during that time, but per capita incomes have doubled, millions of children -- including most girls -- have returned to school, and infant mortality and other health measures have improved. Kabul and other cities are booming, a national road network is under construction and 3 million refugees have returned home. Mr. Karzai recently ousted two of the most powerful warlords from their governmental positions, and about a quarter of the militia members around the country have been demobilized
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Considering none of it would have happened without Bush and conservative political support, yes, a very big victory for conservatives and the conservative agenda.
He's the president. Of course it wouldn't have happened without him. :roll: Just like if Gore were elected, he would have likely done the same thing.

Afghanistan was an American victory, not partisan.

But if you want to put everything on Bush's shoulders, then Bush let Osama get away. Bush lets terrorists get away after he corners them. Not a very good commander in chief whose platform is the Terrorist Terminator, I would say.
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Afghanistan was an American victory, not partisan.

This is a literally meaningless sentence. If you're actually saying "If Gore would've won, he'd have done the same exact thing," my own guess is no, he wouldn't have. But it's a moot point anyway, since you'll never know.

Hey, I think if Ben Affleck were President he'd have done a lot better!!

If you're actually saying all America was behind the war, that's just a misstatement of historical memory. Remember the Afghanistan morass we were supposed to be falling into? The hard winter, the Soviet failures, blah blah blah.

I understand the need of those on the left to cherrypick the right's victories for political gain. So it's good to remind people now and then of the truth.

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But if you want to put everything on Bush's shoulders, then Bush let Osama get away. Bush lets terrorists get away after he corners them. Not a very good commander in chief whose platform is the Terrorist Terminator, I would say.
I'll bet you twenty bucks I can ill-afford to spend right now that OBL is rotting in a makeshift grave somewhere.

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