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They've done a good job on you at school. “using no way as a way, using no limitations as a limitation.” -Bruce Lee Remember that. Knowledge is about a sythesis of information, not forming your opinions based on what "experts" have said; who are they? You don't see Voltarie or Schopenhauer citing sources like some school clone. That of course applies to philosophical topics only. No one's arguing about whether or nor geometry's real (Voltaire said that). Read the book and then throw it any, that's another Bruce Lee. |
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I'm not sure I'm being legalistic, but I think you are referring to word definitions. It's important to have common definitions if any meaningful discussion is to take place. Quote:
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her is a pretty decent, simple writeup of a free market vs. actual market http://www.morrischia.com/david/port..._20market.html Quote:
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![]() Note: since tend to read books a lot it's tough to link sources for my philosophical foundations. Perhaps you should ask? Last edited by TheAdlerian : 07-02-2007 at 08:15 PM. |
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You can't just say "Communism provides the best cure for human suffering" and expect that the statement go untested. For starters, we have a tremendous amount of historical and anecdotal data on the effects of communism. However, you might be able to design a study measuring, say, the impact of wealth re-distribution on economic growth. In fact, such studies already exist! Robert Barro - another Harvard guy - has a book called "the Determinants of Economic Growth," where he quantitatively measures the effects of different variables (democracy, government consumption, rule of law) on economic growth. Again, the statement "Communism provides the best cure for human suffering" may sound philosophical, but it has a number of specific testable implications. |
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In the current era of pseudoscience this has created a never ending amount of trouble for those interested in the liberal arts. It's forced shouldbe philosophers into crackpot scientists. Humans are dynamic creatures who don't repeat any action twice and so they cannot be studied via the scientific method, as repeatability is required. Yesterday's political movement isn't tomorrow's even if it looks just like it. Also, in order to do liberal arts "science" one has to create operational definitions. Those are going to be based on the beliefs and values of the researcher, there's no way around this. Thus, whatever model that you're working from is self-referential. That doesn't happen in real science, if one wants to test whether fire burns paper, you apply fire and see. It's not about what you want. All of my comments are proven by the fact that societies still play with and attempt organizational change. As you get more experience in the liberal arts, you'll see what I mean. |
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Note: I'm amused that you're learning something. ![]() |
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Gotta hand it to you. You are the most successful troll in history. How do you keep it going without really saying anything?
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Adlerian's right that it isn't a science but the fact it's not a science isn;t a license to say whatever you feel regardless of actual events.
I thought about your assertion about thousands of years of capitalism. I still think it's pretty offbase; however, I see how you could rightfully view capitalism as evolutionary. An outgrowth of human history much in the same way Republican government is and was. That view to me only highlights the impossibility of utopian communism. the majority of human history shows human's inability to act a certain way, yet a utopian view of communism assumes it is possible for all of humanity to change completely...and that the government that forces that this change will magically disappear (assuming they haven't, like the history of mankind, become corrupted by their power). Most communist countries have shown time and again that the changes necessary to force true communism results in totalitarianism. that's to say nothing of their distributive and productive model. socialism that goes too far results in economic stangation and, consequently, growing unrest. (to say nothing of the inability to absorb growing populations.) Moreover, what is a "successful system" is a subjective thing in and of itself. whether people really want equality or just ameasure of it or don't care at all. whether they want change, want to avoid it, or want a little. etc, etc. in other words, there is no utopia on earth, there is no perfect system. IMO, the best system you can have is one that allows for a balance...of change and conservation, flexibility at the individual level to allow for differing people, freedom for change to come from the bottom as well as the top, freedom for people to find their station in life.
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