Why would I lie to you about airport screening? I mentioned to you in other threads that I've traveled to the Middle East. Don't you think that that might subject me to some scrutiny upon my return to the US.

And I haven't visited many Mosques -- but, then again, I'm not the one who's making broad generalized assertions about the teaching that occurs in those places.

By the way, it's telling that you call me a Mulsim apologist. It shows your disdain for ALL people who are Islamic. Following your statment to its logcal end, is it bad to be a Muslim apologist? What if I'm only an apologist for good Muslims? Is that not a possibility Jizay? Are there any good Muslims out there?

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I make the broad, generalized assertion that there is no large scale teaching initiative aimed at preventing terror in American mosques. I stand by that statement without embarassment. And I insist that there should be one, since so many young minds have become confused, and they have "distorted" Mohammed's teachings by resorting to terror.

You make just as many broad, general statements as me, claiming on many occasions that the overwhelming Muslim sentiment is anti-terror. Since you don't know what is said in mosques around the country, you must be at least as guilty as me.

It's a logical conclusion to believe that muslim = arab?
I'll address it: I agree (despite how inconsistent you're being). It's a waste of time and resources to screen an American couple coming back from England other than part of an occasional random inspection.
Americans, and to a lesser extent, euros, RARELY have forged travel docs. On the other hand, Africans and Middle Easterners are FAR MORE LIKELY to be in possesion of them.
People with false docs get sent to secondary. Yet, in order for Chertoff to run a "fair" organization, Americans who've done nothing to raise suspicion are pulled into secondary.
What a waste of time and resources.

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I have no disdain for Islamic people. The religion is no damn good, though. Of course you would not apologize for an obviously bad Muslim any more than a bad any person (I hope). I call you a Muslim apologist because you seem rushed to defend the religion against negative statements, often supporting your arguments with wishful thinking rather than facts. No offense, but I also see evidence of deficient knowledge of the contents of Koran and Ahadith in some of your writing. To defend Islam, you must know what you are defending. Don't bother playing the equivalence game with the bible in response; the contents of the Koran, Bukhari, Muslim, etc. are far more dangerous and if you've read them you know it.

No—I don’t. I've claimed nothing of the sort. All that I’ve done is take you to task for your broad assertion that Islam is inherently violent and that the majority of its adherents are violently anti-American. If you haven't made that claim here, you've done it in other places. The bottom line is that you can't see past your own bigotry. The world’s dominant religion is Islam and only a fraction of its adherents advocate violence against the US and its interests. We’d live in a much more violent world if radical jihadists made up as much of the population as you claim.

There are clerics, here in the US and abroad, who speak out against violence and condemn terror attacks whenever they happen. I also know that there are large communities of Muslims scattered throughout the US who live here peacefully, practice their faith, and contribute as much to society as you. There can be no debate that Muslims here in the US that wish us harm represent an infinitesimal fraction of the US Muslim community. That should say something about their ideology and what is being taught in their places of worship. But keep believing what you want to believe. I’ve had enough of this for one day. Talk to you later.

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You’ll probably accuse me of distorting things, but people who embrace a religion that advocates the murder and subjugation of all who are not co-religionists, don’t sit well with me.

Qur’an- (9:73) "O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed."
Qur’an- (47:4) "When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended."
Qur’an- (5:33-34) "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror."
Qur’an- (17:16-17) "When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly."
Qur’an- (8:37) "In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost."
Qur’an- (21:11) "How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples."
Qur’an- (8:12) "Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them."
Qur’an-(5:51): O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
Qur’an-(9:5): “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, And seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) ; but if they repent (accept Islam) and establish regular prayers and practices regular charity then open the way for them; for God is oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.”
Qur’an-(8:65): “ O Apostle ! Rouse the believers to the fight, if there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering , they will vanquish two hundred; if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the unbelievers; for these are a people without understanding.”
Quran-2:216: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you
Qur’an-(2:191): “And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out………such is the reward of those who suppress faith.”
Qur’an-(9:29): “Fight those who believe not the Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth even if they are the people of the book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
Qur’an(48:20): “….Allah promises you much booty (spoils of war) that you will capture from the defeated infidels….”
Quran-8:38 “And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression”
Quran-8:12: I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them
Quran-8: 15,16: O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!
Quran-9:111: Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an
Quran-9:123: O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
Quran-4:95: O ye who believe! Shall I show you a commerce that will save you from a painful doom? You should believe in Allah and His messenger, and should strive for the cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives. That is better for you, if ye did but know. ... Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than those who sit (at home).
Quran-5.33: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, [5.34] Except those who repent before you have them in your power; so know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Quran-9.14: Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.

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Make whatever assumptions you want--your universal criticism of the religion is stupid and misplaced. People have used the Bible to justify all sorts of vile hateful things. Muslim spiritual texts are no more or no less "dangerous" than the Bible. I do know that young uneducated and impoverished Muslim men are particulalry succeptible in this day and age to adopting an interpretaion of the Koran and the Ahadith that justifies violence. That says nothing of the millions of Muslims who have adopted more moderate interpretations. It's unfair to lump the two groups together.

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So what propagandist web page did you pull that from? I bet that I could google up some Biblical passages that celebrate violence and support slavery and the subjugation of women. Talking to you folks is pointless.

Let me try to be as intolerant as you for a moment -- Tanny, you're an admitted Catholic. How can you support a religion that subjugates women and protects pederasts?

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Take your pot shots and run away. See you in another couple of weeks when you're calling me names again and leaving when you can't support your statements intelligently. On your way out, mention some clerics who preach peace even if you don't know who they are, and make no mention of how many clerics preach violence, and which clerics are more prominent. And yes, Islam is inherently violent. Read it. As I've stated repeatedly, Mohammed, the high example of how to live, was a warrior who fought in 68 battles, 67 of which were offensive. You always fail to respond to that one because you can't. Obviously, if Jesus were such a warrior, more Christians (if only a small minority) might take up the sword to spread the word.

I've also already answered your argument about the number of violent jihadists before, but you keep repeating it as if it had some thrust. Since you are obviously intellectually "concrete," let's explain it with a true story:

There is a group in the UK who call themselves the Jesus Christians. They believe so thoroughly in Jesus' example that they look to give away as many of their possessions as possible. They even look for people who need kidneys so they can give them theirs. The health ministry doesn't allow this because they think these guys are a crazy cult (maybe they are).

Now, most Christians will never do this. And most Christians will think these people are crazy. But would most Christians say this behavior is un-Christian? Would they deny how devout these followers are or that they take their example from Christ? I ask anyone, since Brightside is chicken, might violent Jihadis just be thorough religionists? Even though most will never be violent, that doesn't mean the religion doesn't promote violence. It also doesn't mean that people who aren't violent don't view the violent ones as devoutly religious in Mohammed's example. So, your argument that teachings must be peaceful if most people are at present peaceful (in the face of a police and military that is against them) is worthless.

Really? Like those physicians who just tried bombings in the UK. In fact, studies have shown that those who participate in jihad violence are on average more educated than those around them. But again, believe as you wish it were so that you can defend Islam while 14,000 terror attacks happen in one year. That's why you are an Islamic apologist.