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Old 07-12-2007, 10:22 AM
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Have you returned from traveling abroad and seen the lines of Arab looking people being pulled for further questioning?
Uhm... it's called secondary, and unless you were also called in, you wouldn't have any idea who was in that line because it's in a private area.
Obviously, you haven't been, because then you'd know that we don't have long lines of "Arab looking people" called into secondary.
There's actually a system where everyone called into secondary is tracked and if the amount of "Arab looking people" falls too far outside the percentage of all "Arab looking people" who make entry, the CBPO who sends them to secondary is the proud winner of a day of racial sensitivity training.
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Better yet, when was the last time a terrorist bomb exploded on US soil?
October 1, 2005? But that's just off the top of my head, assuming you meant a muslim terrorist. You can prove me wrong with a more recent attack.
But what's your point? We should handcuff DHS for the sake of being politically correct? How many Americans have to die before you deem it okay to be as proactive as we can be?
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Whatever our official policy on profiling might be, it's happening. It's happening in the UK as well. Any Islam-affiliated group that is even slightly critical of the government is being heavily monitored. That's not a value laden observation--I'm not saying that it's wrong or right. It's an objective observation.


Quit your absurd posturing.
In case you missed it, Gordon Brown forbade his ministers from even using the word muslim in connection with their terrorism crisis.
G Dub continues to deny any correlation between terrorism and "The Religion Of Peace".
It's the elephant in the room and P.C. liberals are denying the truth and it will surely cost American lives so they can feel better about themselves.
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Old 07-12-2007, 11:37 AM
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Given your and Tanny's history of Arab bashing it didn't take much of a leap ...
Just make up your arguments as you go along. There's no need for consistency, accuracy, fairness... That's part of your history of disingenuous and factually uninformed Muslim apologetics.

You know quite well that I have been critical of Islam. It's an ideology. It's words in books. It isn't limited to a particular racial or ethnic group, as much as you and some others love to try to parse the world up into racial and ethnic issues.

I would support an intelligent program of monitoring or profiling the activities of Muslims, regardless of race. If mosques in this country were running their own large scale campaign to teach followers exactly why terror is wrong and how not to "misinterpret" Koran and Ahadith, evil bigots like me would trust them.
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Uhm... it's called secondary, and unless you were also called in, you wouldn't have any idea who was in that line because it's in a private area.
Good catch. I somehow glossed over that ridiculousness when I first saw it. What is it with people on these boards inventing personal experiences so that they can make a point? Obviously the poster didn't see said lines. What possible goal could it serve to invent something like that?
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Old 07-12-2007, 12:14 PM
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Good catch. I somehow glossed over that ridiculousness when I first saw it. What is it with people on these boards inventing personal experiences so that they can make a point? Obviously the poster didn't see said lines. What possible goal could it serve to invent something like that?
Yeah great catch. I traveled to Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Israel, a few years backs and, as such, I actually sat in a crowded secondary screening area watching who was getting pulled for further screening. There were lots of Arab looking folks with me and I talked to quite a few that had traveled to non suspect destinations in Europe.

Not only were more Arab looking folks pulled in for screening, but the ones that were pulled were also treated rudely and questioned much more extensively than non-Arab looking people.

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I would support an intelligent program of monitoring or profiling the activities of Muslims, regardless of race. If mosques in this country were running their own large scale campaign to teach followers exactly why terror is wrong and how not to "misinterpret" Koran and Ahadith, evil bigots like me would trust them.

Unless you are going around and visiting Mosques around the country to learn what is being taught, this based upon nothing more than pure conjecture. Statements like this expose your bigotry and the bigotry of people who think like you. Seand's venn diagram might be useful here. Think concentric circles-- Muslims, moderate Moderate Muslims, and Terrosists who are Muslim.

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Yeah great catch. I traveled to Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Israel, a few other places a few years backs and, as such, I actually sat in a crowded secondary screening area watching who was getting pulled for further screening. There were lots of Arab looking folks with me and I talked to quite a few that had traveled to non suspect destinations in Europe.
You still haven't addressed the FACT that the race of every person who makes entry and every person sent to secondary is monitored to make sure that just as many Baptists from Kansas are examined as young men from Yemen named Muhamed Jihad Bin Laden. The fact that Mohamed is far more likely to show up with a fraudulent visa or someone else's passport notwithstanding.
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Old 07-12-2007, 12:30 PM
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Oh dear.
Is there no end to you displaying your ignorance?

Have you ever heard of a country called "Indonesia"? It's the largest muslim country in the world and there's (surprisingly) quite a bit of terrorist activity there. Did you know that Iran (Persian, Azeri), Afghanistan (Pashtun, Tajik), and Pakistan (Punjabi, Sindhi) all have majority muslim populations, but aren't Arab? Did you know that all Arabs aren't muslim?

Maybe you can work on a Venn Diagram of muslims and figure out the overlaps of muslims and Arabs.
I like how you attempt to twist things and cast us as the ones who are being ignorant. That's a neat trick. You make statments that have but one logical conclusion and then you punish us for connecting the dots. Weren't you the one who advocated profiling as a means to dinstinguish terrrorists from normal peace loving folks?

The guy responsible for the Bali bombing escapes scrutiny (unless you happen to catch him at a Mosque--which, regardless of that you think is the official policy, is being watched) and all Middle Eastern looking people (who might not even be Muslim) get subjected to all sorts of scrutiny.

Brilliant.
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Old 07-12-2007, 12:34 PM
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You still haven't addressed the FACT that the race of every person who makes entry and every person sent to secondary is monitored to make sure that just as many Baptists from Kansas are examined as young men from Yemen named Muhamed Jihad Bin Laden. The fact that Mohamed is far more likely to show up with a fraudulent visa or someone else's passport notwithstanding.

And you haven't addressed my assertion that "Baptists from Kansas" that get called for secondary screening aren't treated rudely or questioned with the same vigor as men named Muhamed. By the way, during the four or so hours that I spent in secondary screening, I saw very few "Baptists from Kansas" ... In fact, looking at luggage tags, it seemed as though the baptists were pulled more because of where they had traveled and less because of their race.

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The fact that Mohamed is far more likely to show up with a fraudulent visa or someone else's passport notwithstanding.
You know, there are lots of people who travel with forged documents. Immigrants of all races who are trying to enter the country illegally, wanted felons, drug smugglers. It's kind of a leap to say that those with Arabic sounding names are more likely to be traveling on bad documents. In fact, it's pure speculation meant to confirm you biases.
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Unless you are going around and visiting Mosques around the country to learn what is being taught, this based upon nothing more than pure conjecture. Statements like this expose your bigotry and the bigotry of people who think like you. Seand's vend diagram might be useful here. Think concentric circles-- Muslims, moderate Moderate Muslims, and Terrosists who are Muslim.
Venn diagrams are a lousy way of thinking, and it shows in recent threads. So now I have to go and visit mosques everywhere (even though many aren't open to the general public) to know that there isn't a large scale, organized effort to teach against terrorism? How many mosques have you "visited?" Don't lie like you did about airport screening. How convenient for you and Muslim apologists - almost no one will ever be qualified to say that such a program doesn't exist by your standards, even though it doesn't.
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