I don't deny that extremism is prevalent in parts of the Islamic world. You, on the other hand, seem to think that the majority of Muslims are extremists. I'd go as far as to say that you refuse to believe that there could be a politically moderate, democratic, Islamic nation. Facts don't bear that out. Bear in mind that the majority of the world is Muslim and if a majority of that population endorsed violence to resolve their conflicts with the West, we'd face a much starker situation.

Where you get off calling me arrogant is beyound me, but I think that you are ill informed, that you are bent on disparaging anyone who is of the Islamic faith, and that you are woefully uninformed. Very sad. You guys can have the last word. Ive made my point, I've made it well, and I'm not responding to anymore of this crap.

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Firstly, we're talking about NOW, not a list of what was. The reason that some of that WAS is because the west has a culture that is dynamic.

There's constant analysis and criticism going on and that causes good and bad things to come in waves. Western culture has improved a lot in regard to human rights and the ablity to say, decide on what type of facial hair or clothes you'd like. Within limits, we have a very existential condition to live in.

Much of the mideast remains culturally static in regard to human rights, and that's either because the people just love their life, or they're stuck do to threat of punishment by the theocrats that run things. I especially think of women and creative people here, as they've had no say in where they were born.

No matter, just because this culture has flaws that doesn't mean that it can't judge other cultures. Simply imagine with the facsist governments in the past, if imperfect nations didn't stand up and voice their disgust.

If your friends are so nice, then why do they embrace a religion started by a man who was a mass murderer and torturer? Perhaps it's the case that their ideas and behaviors aren't very well thought out.

Nazism, for instance, was about wanting a society that benefits the core members of said society in a cooperative socialistic manner. Hitler, who was a vegetarian, didn't care for cruelty to animals and suggested this for his people as a manner of clean living. He didn't want anyone exploiting the people of his nation in any way and was willing to go to great lengths to guard his country, and so forth. Lots of positive sounding points there, right?

Question:

If Nazism is viewed for just its positives, is it ethical (well thought out) to join the Nazi party of today, and just ignore the bad stuff?

The question in my last post covers this statement, if answered correctly.

Statements about female circumcision have already been found - see my earlier post? There is debate about what that entails. The earlier passage is from Abu Dawud (Book 41, Number 5251). Also Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Musnad (5:75), Mohammad said: "Circumcision is sunna for men and an honorable quality for women"

Just a couple right off.

How ironic, because we are all feeling the same way. Your argument is just terrible. You have a few friends who call themselves Muslim and reject violence against infidels, so we're wrong, is that it? I know a few Catholics and they eat meat on Friday, so what of it?

What you continually fail to realize is that you are making inferences based on a biased and select sample. What sort of Muslim is in America and friends with an infidel? A conservative one? Is it not possible that your friends aren't representative? You also fail to realize that my arguments are usually not about people, but about texts. Islamic texts and their interpretation by Islamic scholars (which have been declared to be now beyond innovation) are problematic. Most people will not go about killing others. But there will always be some that read Islamic scripture and take it too far. And yes, that problem is more common in Islam than in other religions and the numbers bear that out. More than 14,000 Islamic "terror" attacks in 2006 alone, with honor killings and acts carried out by isolated individuals excluded.

Thanks also for pointing out that the bible has violent dudes in it, but none of those dudes are prophets of the religion that are purported to be perfect examples of how to live.

You're 100% correct about this.

The question is whether or not Muhamed mearnt that the clitoral hood should be removed to create more sensation, or if the whole clitoris should be removed. He was presented with the question because the total removal, and in some places sewing up the vagina, was a common practice. Whatever he concluded is unknown, but what's going on isn't.

In Egypt it's a common practice to remove the labia, clitoris, and sew up the vaginas of young women, of course the consequence of doing that then cutting it open again is quite painful. That might just seem like a weird fact, but again it speaks a whole host of underlying beliefs that allow such stuff to happen.

I believe that all things that exist in the world of humans are human inventions. The inventions in this case are spewing out a lot of bad products. Call the repairman!

I think you meant to say "politically moderate democratic Egypt."

That means they won't kill tourists.