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Old 06-08-2007, 03:58 PM
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Did you miss the several posts where several people pointed out that, in fact, doctors do screen people for HIV, drug use, and other medical factors that can increase the risks and recovery times for surgery?

Did you miss the posts about doctors sometimes refusing to do surgery because of these factors, or at the very least requiring the patients to have them under control to reduce the risk before surgery?

Did you miss the posts about the risks from smoking being easily reduced by stopping smoking, while the risks from many other factors cannot be reduced?

Please actually join the debate, instead of writing yet another rant.
Did you miss the fact that this is taking place in the U.K. (From The Daily Mail, U.K.) where doctors don't have the choice of screening patients for pre-surgery HIV/AIDS because medicine is socialized? Further, doctors don't have the right to choose who they do and don't operate on without losing their jobs and/or licenses?
Please at least actually read the dateline of the original story and join the debate rather than trying to twist the original story into what you wish it said and calling every post you disagree with "hysterical".
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Thank you for leaping, yet again, into a hysterical rant against liberals, instead of actually debating the content.


In Tanny's world calling someone a "liberal" is the analogue of calling someone a "Dirty Jew". It is the most grievous of insults.
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Did you miss the fact that this is taking place in the U.K. (From The Daily Mail, U.K.) where doctors don't have the choice of screening patients for pre-surgery HIV/AIDS because medicine is socialized? Further, doctors don't have the right to choose who they do and don't operate on without losing their jobs and/or licenses?
Of course I didn't miss that. Do you honestly think that in the U.K. doctors have to throw their medical judgment out the window and operate on everyone regardless of the risk? If a patient is doing something that makes them an unacceptable risk for surgery, and/or can easily do something to reduce their risk, the doctor can refuse to do the surgery unless it's an emergency. No different than the smoking example, except that the smoking example is a system-wide policy.

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Please at least actually read the dateline of the original story and join the debate rather than trying to twist the original story into what you wish it said and calling every post you disagree with "hysterical".

Cute. I don't think your post was hysterical because I disagreed with it. I've disagreed with all sorts of posters and still respected them and what they had to say. It's the tone of your writing, and your regular content-free rants against liberals that sound hysterical.

For example, compare Noam Chomsky and Michael Moore. They're both vocal opponents of the Bush administration and the war in Iraq, but Chomsky does it in a reasonable intellectual way, and Michael Moore rants and raves. You can disagree with everything both of them say while still recognizing that Chomsky has more credibility and intellectual vigor than Moore.

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In Tanny's world calling someone a "liberal" is the analogue of calling someone a "Dirty Jew". It is the most grievous of insults.


One of my favorite book titles from recent years is "Talking Right: How Conservatives Turned Liberalism into a Tax-Raising, Latte-Drinking, Sushi-Eating, Volvo-Driving, New York Times-Reading, Body-Piercing, Hollywood-Loving, Left-Wing Freak Show"
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One of my favorite book titles from recent years is "Talking Right: How Conservatives Turned Liberalism into a Tax-Raising, Latte-Drinking, Sushi-Eating, Volvo-Driving, New York Times-Reading, Body-Piercing, Hollywood-Loving, Left-Wing Freak Show"
In other words, anything different. Accusations of liberalism serve but one useful purpose -- a harbinger of the mindless, ideology-driven, half-baked, blather that is to follow.
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Of course I didn't miss that. Do you honestly think that in the U.K. doctors have to throw their medical judgment out the window and operate on everyone regardless of the risk?
Yes. "The System" (NHS) decides who gets the operations and when the surgery takes place for all elective surgery. Gee, imagaine that, you're stripped of a lot of your choices under socialism. Who'da thunk?
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One of my favorite book titles from recent years is "Talking Right: How Conservatives Turned Liberalism into a Tax-Raising, Latte-Drinking, Sushi-Eating, Volvo-Driving, New York Times-Reading, Body-Piercing, Hollywood-Loving, Left-Wing Freak Show"
I'll have to pick that up, because it always appeared to me that it was tax-raising, latte-drinking, sushi eating, Volvo driving, New York Times reading, body piercing, Hollywood loving, America hating, left wing freaks that did it. But it's always someone else's fault, isn't it?
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