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Old 02-18-2007, 02:54 PM
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Oh brother. Almost everyone from "right here" is from elsewhere.

Yet another typical Cerberus thread.
I dare you to buy a house in the suburbs built by one of the larger companies. I know America is the "melting pot", but the work that the cheap immigrant labor does today is shoddy at best. I am not against immigration. I am against business owners getting filthy, stinking rich because they hire unqualified workers at a much lower rate. One good example is why did David Cutler hire a different construction company to build his personal house?
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Old 02-18-2007, 03:55 PM
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My house was built by immigrants 120 years ago, and its doing just fine. The Irish were still cheap to hire back then, and all the real Americans were arguing the same points. "The Irish are lazy." "All the Irish know how to do is farm." "Their Catholic schools are subverting the American way of life." Substitute Spanish language and Latino culture for Italian or Catholic or Jewish or Polish and you get identical arguements.

I'm glad that you aren't against all immigration, since we probably wouldn't be able to blog without immigrants. A third of silicon valley's scientists and engineers are foreign born. I guess all of your favored immigrants are rich and well educated when they get here. Why would those people want to come here? All of you nativist crybabies should think about where your families started out and how they were treated when they got here.
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The big difference between then and now is the original immigrants were good at what they did. They fought hard to elevate themselves and get a fair wage. They wanted to become part of america, not a seperate entity existing in america.

The problem I have is the corporations selling americans out for a few extra bucks. I know, I know its the american way to make a quick buck at the expense of others immigrant or not.
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The more I think about this the more p*ssed off I get. My father lost his semi-skilled manual labor job last month. He's been laid off before, but this one looks permanent. The 1950s plant he worked in for years is obsolete (and trust me I know, I worked there for a while too before deciding that I had better get an education). So now he is nearing his 60th birthday with no job and bills to pay.

But my father isn't bitter and he isn't boohooing to the local paper. Now that he's collecting unemployment (something that he hates to do) he's learning how to work with mentally handicapped adults.
60th Bday? No retirement options? No pension? No annuity? Sorry to hear about your pop....I know id be as p1ssed!

My dad retired recently and collects a nice fat monthly check along with a nice lump sum annuity. The best part is in a few months hes going back to the same company to work in the office a few days a week...just to keep him occupied.

He just turned 58.
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My house was built by immigrants 120 years ago, and its doing just fine. The Irish were still cheap to hire back then, and all the real Americans were arguing the same points. "The Irish are lazy." "All the Irish know how to do is farm." "Their Catholic schools are subverting the American way of life." Substitute Spanish language and Latino culture for Italian or Catholic or Jewish or Polish and you get identical arguements.

I'm glad that you aren't against all immigration, since we probably wouldn't be able to blog without immigrants. A third of silicon valley's scientists and engineers are foreign born. I guess all of your favored immigrants are rich and well educated when they get here. Why would those people want to come here? All of you nativist crybabies should think about where your families started out and how they were treated when they got here.
Im not against immigrants working here legally at all....
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The big difference between then and now is the original immigrants were good at what they did. They fought hard to elevate themselves and get a fair wage. They wanted to become part of america, not a seperate entity existing in america.

The problem I have is the corporations selling americans out for a few extra bucks. I know, I know its the american way to make a quick buck at the expense of others immigrant or not.
Keyword is assimilation....my grandparents were straight off the boat and worked hard to "assimilate" into the local community....the same cant be said for the current flock who always stay with their "own" kind.
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Keyword is assimilation....my grandparents were straight off the boat and worked hard to "assimilate" into the local community....the same cant be said for the current flock who always stay with their "own" kind.
yeah, there weren't german, irish, polish, ukrainian, russian, italian, greek, etc, etc neighborhoods where those immigrants lived together with their own kind. they moved right into integrated neighborhoods of previous generations.
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If Mexican jobs are hurting you so much, you can move to Texas.

Seriously, after NAFTA passed that state benefited a LOT from it. NAFTA helped revive Houston (which was in decline in the 1980s). The Bushes have profited handsomely from it. With the military, hospitals, international trucking, oil and gas... San Antonio is, for all purposes, a recession-proof city [survived the Depression, both world wars and the 1970s without ever seeing a decline in growth]. Manufacturing might not be coming back, but assembly factories are, and they're setting up shop close to the border.

Of course, you're gonna have to get used to living in a big city that's 80% populated with them dirty Hispanics.

Oh yeah, and there's hardly any unions down there, either. Double whammy.

How's them apples?
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yeah, there weren't german, irish, polish, ukrainian, russian, italian, greek, etc, etc neighborhoods where those immigrants lived together with their own kind. they moved right into integrated neighborhoods of previous generations.
Not true. Philadelphia is a "city of neighborhoods" precisely because the various immigrant groups stuck together with their own kind. You can even see it in the churches. There were (are) Italian Catholic churches and Irish Catholic churches because those people didn't want to mix. The feelings were so strong that the catholic hierarchy went along, and it doesn't often go along.
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If Mexican jobs are hurting you so much, you can move to Texas.

Seriously, after NAFTA passed that state benefited a LOT from it. NAFTA helped revive Houston (which was in decline in the 1980s). The Bushes have profited handsomely from it. With the military, hospitals, international trucking, oil and gas... San Antonio is, for all purposes, a recession-proof city [survived the Depression, both world wars and the 1970s without ever seeing a decline in growth]. Manufacturing might not be coming back, but assembly factories are, and they're setting up shop close to the border.

Of course, you're gonna have to get used to living in a big city that's 80% populated with them dirty Hispanics.

Oh yeah, and there's hardly any unions down there, either. Double whammy.

How's them apples?
When did I ever say they were dirty Hispanics?

FYI I lived in San Diego for 4 years within a stones throw from the border so dont preach to me about living in Texas....I even tossed around the idea of being a Border Agent before moving back to Philly in 99. Hows about them apples?

Mexican jobs arent hurting me at all....
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