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Originally Posted by Queen Villager
I didn't know CCP was banned. I know someone requested it. Are you sure he was banned?
CCP didn't merely bash Israel, he wrote vile, hateful, untruthful screeds about Jews, much of which had nothing to do with Israel.
There is a difference between legitimate criticism of actions that Israel takes and broad Israel-bashing, which usually is a very thin disguise for anti-Jewish feelings.
Many Americans are furious with our own government's actions but don't resort to wild, unbalanced accusations about the country itself or its citizens, or to demands that America cease to exist. We Americans don't much like it when people in other countries make sweeping, unsophisticated, angry claims about the U.S., rather than legitimate criticisms of actions our government takes.
The Israel-bashing that occurs on U.S. talk radio and blogs is full of uninformed, misguided, unbalanced, simplistic, often rabid animosity toward Israel, lacking in understanding -- or even an attempt at understanding -- the history and complex political situation.
I don't know you or your posts so am not saying you are anti-Semitic. You say you are not necessarily anti-Israel but make one-sided statements and comparisons about the country that don't apply or lack context. To paint the picture as a simple case of long-time suppression by Israel and suggest Israel is to blame for the actions of terrorists (are you implying a justifcation for terrorism?) indicates an unwillingness or inability to understand the situation fully or fairly.
(The U.S.-Germany situation bears no historical, military or political resemblance to the Israel-Palestine relationship. You might remember, however, that the U.S. maintains a large military presence in Germany more than half a century after WWII.)
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Ok I should have known better then to post on this subject, but I would like to clarify my position unless i get branded a hateful anti-semetic. My point was, though poorly made, is that most pro israeli people equate any criticism of Israel as being antisemetic, no matter how truthfull it might be. Was CCP fair in what he said? No, the man is clearly a raving lunatic, and for the record I seconded his banning, though apparently that hasn't happened.
I think we could move much closer to peace in the Middle East if the Israelis accepted that they are not the only vicitims in this situation. Life in the occupied areas is horrible. Last time I checked unemployment hovered around 50%. You need a visa to travel from one town to the next. You get stopped over and over again on your way to work. Israeli forces regularly drop bombs on you trying to hit terrorist suspects. You also have no rights basically under israeli law.
Now, I also recognize that the Palestinians have much blame as well. Killing innocent people is never acceptable (actually i am a quaker so I don't believe any killing is ever acceptable) and terrorism is one of the great evils of our time. The palestinians actually had a chance at real peace but Arafat balked, for that he should always be remembered as a failure.
Well I rambled. To sum up, there is two sides of the story always, and peace will never be achieved if the two sides don't wake up and realize that. Criticism of Israel does not neccesarily equate to anti semitism, though Cookie Cutter's comments certainly did seem to be.
Ok, no more posting from me on this matter.
02-06-2007, 10:03 AM
