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Old 01-29-2007, 10:29 AM
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MARCLIPS;
I am hoping this blog will not get side tracked into a hate thing about the second world war death camps and if they were as bad as reported .
Even if the numbers killed in the camps was found to be only 1/10 of the reported numeber , it still would be a horror story beyond any justification.

Any way I have to fully agree with you that all the countrys over there did very little to absorb the displaced Palistinians . They acted like they were the " UNCLEAN"
The fact of the matter is that all of those rat nest countrys over in that area hate one another and have been fighting since biblical times .
The only thing we have done with our intervention is give them some one else to hate.
As much as they hate one another , they hate US more , we have given them a common enemy to rally against ,,,,US.
We should go back to the Monroe Doctrine or the Randy Newman doctrine .
P.S. nice avitar . how many do you think know what that is?
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Old 02-02-2007, 04:04 PM
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They say Isreal is a democracy but if you are not Jewish you cant run for office.
False. Israeli Arabs are citizens and have political rights. There are non-Jewish members of the Knesset. There is certainly discrimination against non-Jews in Israel, which is outrageous and totally unjustifiable, but Israel is still far more democratic than any of its neighbors.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_ea...Arab%20parties
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Arab Israelis make up almost 20% of Israel's population. They vote both for mainstream Israeli parties, including Labour, Likud and Meretz-Yachad, and for specifically Arab and/or anti-Zionist parties like the left-wing Hadash, the nationalist Balad and the United Arab List.

Support for the Arab factions has remained steady, with the parties winning 10 Knesset seats in the election, almost the same number at in the 2003 ballot.
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Israel does not a have written constitution but the rights of citizens are guaranteed by a set of Basic Laws [20]. Although this set of laws does not explicitly include the term "right to equality", the Israeli Supreme Court has consistently interpreted "Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty" [21] and "Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation (1994)" [22] as guaranteeing equal rights for all Israeli citizens.[23]

Arab citizens of Israel are full citizens under the law and enjoy the same civil rights as other citizens. The Minorities at Risk (MAR) group notes that despite this, Arabs citizens in Israel "suffer political discrimination based on decades of social exclusion." They characterize Israel's system of governance to be an "ethnic democracy" and further note that "the nationalism inherent in Israel’s foundation as a 'Jewish state' is at odds with its political basis of democratic governance vis-à-vis the Arab minority." On the other hand, the group also states that despite such factors, "Israeli Arabs are relatively much better off economically than neighboring Arabs."
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Old 02-02-2007, 04:20 PM
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We should go back to the Monroe Doctrine or the Randy Newman doctrine .
That's pretty funny. Good song.

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Old 02-02-2007, 04:50 PM
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Could you pleas tell me where I can get a new map that shows that there still is a country called Palistine ? Just to prove your point .
There was never a *country* called Palestine. The British divided the Trans-Jordan into present-day Jordan, Israel, & what is now considered Palestine, the French divided their territory into present-day Lebanon & Syria. What Marclips stated about those Arab states (Jordan, Syria, Egypt) not allowing Palestinians to become citizens is true. *Israel* does allow those Palestinians that want to become citizens to do so. Get your facts straight before you start spouting falsehoods.

As for a brief history of the region by controlling power, check this out:

www.mapsofwar.com

Click on Imperial History of the Middle East (on the right hand side under Most Popular). Note that there was *never* any state called Palestine.
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Old 02-03-2007, 10:17 AM
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I am hoping this blog will not get side tracked into a hate thing about the second world war death camps and if they were as bad as reported . Even if the numbers killed in the camps was found to be only 1/10 of the reported numeber , it still would be a horror story beyond any justification.[
There were 6 million Jews and as many as 16 million total killed in the Holocaust. That's a fact. Anyone who tells you that the number killed was only "1/10" of the reported number is at best entirely deluded, and at worst an anti-Semite. Holocaust denial is an ugly business, and I seriously hope you don't believe that crap.

P.S. you're actually the first person to comment on my Mandelbrot set avatar.
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CCP has given up the ridiculous fallacy that he's not a hate-mongering anti-Semite, as evidenced by the moronic bile he spews on this blog. Your posts are a byproduct of the toxic waste dump inside of you. That's what happens when you feast on lies, hatred and bigotry. What a shameful waste of the human potential you were given at birth.

Doghosts, your metaphor about France and America is so offbase it's almost laughable. Are you and others who hate Israel (and Jews) ready to return the U.S. to the Native Americans? Because if you want a comparison between North America and the Israel-Palestinian situation, that's much closer, although not exact either, since Jews have lived in Israel for thousands of years and those of European descent have been in the current U.S. for only some 400 years.
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There were 6 million Jews and as many as 16 million total killed in the Holocaust. That's a fact. Anyone who tells you that the number killed was only "1/10" of the reported number is at best entirely deluded, and at worst an anti-Semite. Holocaust denial is an ugly business, and I seriously hope you don't believe that crap.

P.S. you're actually the first person to comment on my Mandelbrot set avatar.
Ah, Benoit Mandelbrot, the nice Jewish father of fractal geometry, whose family fled Poland. He came to the U.S. - and IBM and Yale - by way of France, where he also holds citizenship and is an officer in the Legion of Honor. He lives here, though. Europe's loss is America's gain.
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CCP has given up the ridiculous fallacy that he's not a hate-mongering anti-Semite, as evidenced by the moronic bile he spews on this blog. Your posts are a byproduct of the toxic waste dump inside of you. That's what happens when you feast on lies, hatred and bigotry. What a shameful waste of the human potential you were given at birth.

Doghosts, your metaphor about France and America is so offbase it's almost laughable. Are you and others who hate Israel (and Jews) ready to return the U.S. to the Native Americans? Because if you want a comparison between North America and the Israel-Palestinian situation, that's much closer, although not exact either, since Jews have lived in Israel for thousands of years and those of European descent have been in the current U.S. for only some 400 years.
I think Cookie Cutter was banned so you don't really have to yell at him as he can't hear it. By the way, why is someone anti semitic if they point out that Israel has done lots of wrong. I mean, they did take these people's land and continue to do so. They occupy their towns, restrict their movement. When we invaded Germany, we left eventually. We didn't set up settlements and what not. I am not saying I am against Israel, but denying they are culpable in their own situation is just foolish. You cant continue to suppress a group of people and expect them one day to be ok with it.
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I think Cookie Cutter was banned so you don't really have to yell at him as he can't hear it. By the way, why is someone anti semitic if they point out that Israel has done lots of wrong. I mean, they did take these people's land and continue to do so. They occupy their towns, restrict their movement. When we invaded Germany, we left eventually. We didn't set up settlements and what not. I am not saying I am against Israel, but denying they are culpable in their own situation is just foolish. You cant continue to suppress a group of people and expect them one day to be ok with it.
I didn't know CCP was banned. I know someone requested it. Are you sure he was banned?

CCP didn't merely bash Israel, he wrote vile, hateful, untruthful screeds about Jews, much of which had nothing to do with Israel.

There is a difference between legitimate criticism of actions that Israel takes and broad Israel-bashing, which usually is a very thin disguise for anti-Jewish feelings.

Many Americans are furious with our own government's actions but don't resort to wild, unbalanced accusations about the country itself or its citizens, or to demands that America cease to exist. We Americans don't much like it when people in other countries make sweeping, unsophisticated, angry claims about the U.S., rather than legitimate criticisms of actions our government takes.

The Israel-bashing that occurs on U.S. talk radio and blogs is full of uninformed, misguided, unbalanced, simplistic, often rabid animosity toward Israel, lacking in understanding -- or even an attempt at understanding -- the history and complex political situation.

I don't know you or your posts so am not saying you are anti-Semitic. You say you are not necessarily anti-Israel but make one-sided statements and comparisons about the country that don't apply or lack context. To paint the picture as a simple case of long-time suppression by Israel and suggest Israel is to blame for the actions of terrorists (are you implying a justifcation for terrorism?) indicates an unwillingness or inability to understand the situation fully or fairly.

(The U.S.-Germany situation bears no historical, military or political resemblance to the Israel-Palestine relationship. You might remember, however, that the U.S. maintains a large military presence in Germany more than half a century after WWII.)

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I think Cookie Cutter was banned so you don't really have to yell at him as he can't hear it. By the way, why is someone anti semitic if they point out that Israel has done lots of wrong. I mean, they did take these people's land and continue to do so. They occupy their towns, restrict their movement. When we invaded Germany, we left eventually. We didn't set up settlements and what not. I am not saying I am against Israel, but denying they are culpable in their own situation is just foolish. You cant continue to suppress a group of people and expect them one day to be ok with it.
Pray tell...where are Israelis from originally? They are from the same land!! "When we invaded Germany"...who is this we...are you Jewish?
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