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Old 06-19-2004, 02:56 PM
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Default Genocide in Sudan

Recently saw a piece on genocide going on right now in Sudan - with 1 million muslims being killed, raped, pushed off their lands, etc. by Sudanese tribal government.

Not a word from the U.S. Not much from the U.N.

I wonder. Is the silence because they are Muslims . . . or is it because they are black and African.
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The media corporate bosses have decreed that Africa is to be accorded as little attention
as possible. Corpmed's ignoring of the Sudanese conflict is mirrored in Chad, where it is
the arabs who are killing black Christians. There is also the persecution of white farmers in
South Africa, Zimbabwe, and Namibia. Blood thirsty tyrant Mugabe of Zimbabwe
recently decreed that all whites and asians must leave the country by 2005. None of this
gets much mainstream media attention.

There is a reason for corpmed's silence. Flying under the radar throughout the mineral-rich
continent are dozens of Western companies raking in millions.
All they have to do is split the booty with the dictators and they are
given a free hand.

A case in point is the right-wing religious fanatic Pat Robertson. During the Liberian crisis
last year it came to light he was in the diamond business big time with strong man Charles
Taylor. The corporate media keeps all of this quiet because they receive a cut from these
Western corporate raiders.
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Old 06-20-2004, 04:04 PM
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But we've seen lots of stories on the farmers being attacked in Zimbabwe. Perhaps, because they are white?

Also, I've seen a number of stories on Chad, again perhaps because the killers there are Muslims and the victims are Christians.

None of it is on the scale, however, of what is happening in the Sudan. It is projected that more than 1 million people have fled and could well die - genocide on a massive scale.
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Old 06-20-2004, 04:26 PM
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Humanitarian ideals are not high on corporate media's agenda. To them those millions are just useless eaters. When you get into the details of what the New World Order analysts are about, you find that overpopulation always figures at the top of what is problematic for them.
But your point is correct. There is an anti-Muslim bias in the Western media. No surprises there.
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Damn Happy Elf, you look suspiciously like Cheney. That can't be.
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Chris, LOL. That is a picture of one of my heroes, the great scientist and visionary Buckminster Fuller.
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Old 06-21-2004, 07:31 AM
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You guys better check your facts...

It's the non-muslim groups that are getting slaughtered by the SPLA and other, mostly islamic tribal regimes. Some figures show nearly 100,000 killed by these government factions every year.

Millions of tons of humanitarian aid (mostly US as well as UN), are donated per year though much of that gets swiped up by the local regimes and the SPLA. These same animals have been known to mow down their own people to steal the food and in turn sell it on the black market. It's an ignorant statement to say this is a case of anti-muslim sentiment when the majority of the victims are not even muslim.

I have mentioned before that my Aunt and Uncle have taken in 7 Sudanese refugees, given them all an education (two are now even in college) and a roof over their head. The love and admiration that those 7 have for my aunt and uncle (as well as others they come in contact with) is profound. I witnessed this first-hand when I gave two bags full of clothing to the oldest that is around my height. He had tears in his eyes. These people are perhaps the most undemanding most un-selfish people I know.

If anyone wants to sit down and have a conversation that will COMPLETELY alter their perceptions of themselves and the rest of the world I am certain that I could arrange this with them. No one, myself not withstanding, realizes the luxuries of this country unless they see it through the eyes of another.
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We need to check our facts? You need to read posts with more attention. Both Chris and I acknowledged the large-scale slaughter of Christians by Muslims in Africa. Of course in Sudan the Muslims are going to strike back and kill Christians. There is killing on both sides. That's what makes it a conflict.

I said:
"the Sudanese conflict is mirrored in Chad, where it is
the arabs who are killing black Christians."

Chris said:
"Also, I've seen a number of stories on Chad, again perhaps because the killers there are
Muslims and the victims are Christians."
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here are two from today. looking back there are a number ofpeices/news items on sudan in the journal. I guess it's only the rest of the media that's racist.
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US State Dept Welcomes Sudan Pledge To Disarm Militants
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June 21, 2004 2:50 p.m.

WASHINGTON (AP)--The State Department welcomed on Monday a pledge by Sudanese President Omar el-Bashir to mobilize the Sudanese armed forces to disarm militias responsible for uprooting more than 1 million people in western Sudan .

The Sudanese military has been supporting the militias since the start of an anti-government insurrection 16 months ago.

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said both the government and the rebels should abide by a cease-fire that was signed April 8. He said the U.S. has been helping facilitate the arrival of outside monitors to the area to monitor the cease-fire.

Because of the difficulties in sending assistance overland, the U.S. has been using aircraft, which is far more costly.

The fifteenth U.S. relief flight arrived in recent days carrying food, Boucher said.
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Sudanese Govt To Hold Talks With Darfur Rebels In Germany


DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
June 21, 2004 12:39 p.m.

KHARTOUM, Sudan (AP)--A Sudanese government delegation left for Germany Monday for peace talks with the representatives of the rebels in the western province of Darfur, a Cabinet minister said.

The talks have been arranged by German mediators and should begin Tuesday in Berlin, Agriculture Minister Majzoub al-Khalifa Ahmad told reporters.

Ahmad didn't identify the mediators. In Berlin, the German Foreign Ministry said it had no scheduled meeting with a Sudanese government delegation.

Previously the government and Darfur rebels have held talks in Switzerland sponsored by the Henry Dunant Center for Humanitarian Dialogue.

Tuesday's talks aim to "find a final solution to the Darfur crisis, stop the bloodshed and bring peace to the region," Ahmad said.

The government delegation will be led by Ibrahim Omar, the secretary general of the ruling Congress Party, Ahmad said.

The rebellion that began in February 2003 has killed thousands of people and displaced an estimated 1 million Sudanese, mostly into desert terrain along the border with Chad. The U.N. has described Darfur as the worst humanitarian crisis in the world today.

Saturday, Sudanese President Omar el-Bashir ordered the military to begin disarming all militia groups.

The government is accused of backing the Janjaweed militia, an Arab faction that has conducted a campaign of ethnic cleansing against Sudanese of African origin, according to human rights groups. The government denies the charge.

The government and the two main rebel groups signed a cease-fire in April, but each side has accused the other of violating it.
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Old 06-21-2004, 06:15 PM
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Elf,

You may be correct. I clearly can not make assumptions based on the entire population of Sudan based on the testimony of 7 individuals. Mine are experiences which are based solely off of those that themselves experienced these struggles first-hand.

Above and beyond that, its hard to find positive news coming out of the entire continent of Africa these days as most of it is overrun with Civil War and/or famine.

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