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07-02-2008, 11:26 PM
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Catholic Total Abstinence Union Fountain
Photos from PAHRC:
 Here is Herman Kirn the sculptor in Italy with Rev. John Carroll.  This is one of the models.     For map: http://www.mapquest.com/mq/10-sdlU Phila. Public Art http://www.philart.net/art.php?id=58 GLORIA ROMANORUM http://gloriaromanorum.blogspot.com/...nce-union.html
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07-03-2008, 09:21 AM
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Curiously, I was paging through Bendiner's Philadelphia on Monday and came to the page on this surreal relic. Besides mentioning God's smiting his own statue, Bendiner noted all the men have their backs turned to Moses.
I wonder how the Catholic Total Abstinence Union felt about communion wine.
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07-03-2008, 12:25 PM
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07-03-2008, 12:27 PM
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[quote=Scoats;810979]... Bendiner noted all the men have their backs turned to Moses. [quote]
As if they are going forth from Moses to do God's work.
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07-03-2008, 01:31 PM
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Apparently the Catholic Total Abstinence Union of America was a temperance movement group and not a group promoting the total abstinence from Catholicism.
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07-03-2008, 05:10 PM
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Okay, I grew up Catholic and I naturally assumed the abstinence was from SEX.
Now I am Episcopalian and, in my denomination, abstinence from sex might be okay but abstinence from alcohol (sacramental or otherwise) is unthinkable! Think I'll go make a martini...
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07-03-2008, 05:20 PM
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Wine with Holy Communion was not a part of traditional rite until recently.
Last edited by Jamaicanmenuts : 07-03-2008 at 05:28 PM.
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07-03-2008, 05:54 PM
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Cardinal Dougherty
Speaking of Abstinence, do you know that it is a sin to go to the movies by Catholics in Philadelphia? At least according to Cardinal Dougherty. "Cardinal Dennis Dougherty took off for a three-month European vacation in early May 1934. Several weeks later, a declaration of war on the movie industry in the form of a pastoral letter from the Cardinal was read in all the churches of the Philadelphia Archdiocese. Hollywood's obsession with sex and crime," said Dougherty, was a "vicious and insidious attack . . . on the very foundation of our Christian civilization, namely the sacrament of marriage, the purity of womanhood, the sanctity of the home, and obedience to lawful authority." Dougherty's archdiocese covered most of southeastern Pennsylvania, so the letter was heard by some 825,000 Catholics, almost all of whom would have been in church that Sunday, as they were every Sunday. Their marching orders were straightforward: Philadelphia Catholics were forbidden, on pain of serious sin, to go to any movies, of any kind, anywhere."
"Samuel Goldwyn made a quiet visit to the Cardinal's home and reportedly offered to do whatever was necessary to lift the ban. Dougherty was polite but said, "I am adamant. I will not lift it. That will be left to the moral judgment of your products." This ruling has never been rescinded, so technically Catholics that go to the movies are going to Hell.
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07-03-2008, 06:14 PM
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Here's a link from the Free Library to their Centennial Exhibition Digital Collection showing the Fountain:
http://libwww.freelibrary.org/CenCol...imageField.y=0
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