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Old 09-20-2008, 04:09 PM
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Default ATHEISM: The Opiate for the Morally Corrupt

http://www.clashradio.com/column.10.28.2007.html
Atheism: An Intellectual Revolt or Pelvic Rebellion?
By Doug Giles


Atheists would love for everyone to believe that their motive for not believing is an intellectual one. Yes, the atheists ardently suppose that they are wise and the Christians, well, we're the buckle-shoed buttheads.


Yes, darling, the atheists would love all of us to suppose that they cannot believe because they are so astute and rational, and we theists, heck we're toads . . . a veritable troop of abecedarian simpletons who believe in God and Christ simply because we're straight goofy.

I think the atheists believe in not believing, however, not because they're intellectual little dandies but because they want to be autonomous, loose and randy.

As Dinesh D'Souza said about the atheist's faith in no faith in his new book What's So Great About Christianity: "Atheism is not primarily an intellectual revolt, it's a moral one." God, that's got to hurt you guys because you pride yourself on being so wise . . . so sophisticated . . . and here he/we are saying that your atheism rises out of hedonism instead of intellectualism. Ouch. Need a bandaid?

Look, I'm not buying that the atheists' altruistic self-professed pursuit of reason is what undergirds their conclusion that God does not exist; I believe it's because they want to believe that they'll never be called into eternal accountability for their temporal actions by a holy God. Talk about an opiate for the masses.

But to heck with what I think, eh? I'm just a hayseed, cross-eyed Christian with an IQ of 50 who believes in Jesus, loves his mama, salutes the flag and collects guns. I'm an idiot. Let's go to the atheists and hear it from the horse's mouth—or backside (411 taken from D'Souza's book, What's So Great About Christianity):

1. Biologist Stephen Jay Gould: "We may yearn for a higher answer—but none exists. This explanation, though superficially troubling if not terrifying, is ultimately liberating and exhilarating."

2. Biologist Julian Huxley, the grandson of Darwin's buddy and ally Thomas Henry Huxley, put it this way: "The sense of spiritual relief which comes from rejecting the idea of God as a supernatural being is enormous."

3. Julian's brother Aldous Huxley, not to be outdone by his bro, stated, "I had motives for not wanting the world to have meaning; consequently I assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption . . . For myself as no doubt for most of my contemporaries, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation . . . liberation from a certain system of morality. We objected to the morality because it interfered with our sexual freedom."

4. Bertrand Russell: "The worst feature of the Christian religion is its attitude toward sex."
Christopher Hitchens: "The divorce between the sexual life and fear . . . can now at last be attempted on the sole condition that we banish all religions from the discourse."

5. Sounds like these atheist apostles are simply putting a nuevo twist on an ancient bent. They appear to be humming the Marquis de Sade's tune more than Sagan's. Looks and sounds like a moral revolt to me. Yes, this is Epicurus all over again.

You remember Epi, don't cha? His whole goal was to "get rid of the gods." He and his other pre-Socratic "thinkers" like Lucretius and Democritus didn't like all that duty and responsibility to higher powers and fellow mortals crap. It put a hitch in their get along. It brought them pain and they liked pleasure. They believed that such an obligation to men and the gods caused too much anxiety. They didn't like the thought of being responsible and having to account for their lives in the afterlife. Such thoughts really screwed with getting their groove on, ya know what I'm sayin'?

They were the first metrosexuals. Yep, they figured that if they could just get the gods out of the way they could focus on selfishly milking this life for all it's worth and then die without any eternal repercussions. They were living in a material world, and they were material girls. Pretty ballsy. Or stupid. But at least they were honest about their motivations.

In addition, ladies, Darwin didn't lose his faith because he discovered natural selection; he dumped God because he couldn't stomach the doctrine of eternal accountability and damnation. That's what made him switch teams. I think that was about ten years after he had married his first cousin. Git-R-Done, Charlie!

Y'know, Karl Marx said religion is the "opiate of the masses." I think the real poppy derivative is the black tar belief that tells you atheist lads and lasses that when you take the big dirt nap that's it. Ah what peace. What a high. No God. No accountability. All our sins of commission and omission will never ever come up again. No pain. No penalty. No heaven. No hell. Imagine. Yeah, dude. Hold that hit. Let it out slowly. Ahhh. Feel better?

There's your opium.
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PS from Paul: if you would like documentation on Aldous’ quotation ("I had motives for not wanting the world to have meaning; consequently assumed it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption ... The philosopher ... is also concerned to prove there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do... The liberation we desired was simultaneously liberation from a certain political and economic system and liberation from a certain system of morality. We objected to the morality because it interfered with our sexual freedom"), see Aldous Huxley, "Confessions of a Professed Atheist," Report: Perspective on the News, Vol. 3, June, 1966 p. 19 [Grandson of evolutionist Thomas Huxley and brother of evolutionist Julian Huxley, Aldous Huxley was one the most influential writers and philosophers of the 20th century.]

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Sadly, your point is obscured by posting a piece of logical hackwork like this.
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Old 09-20-2008, 06:29 PM
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Religion doesn't have an exclusive patent on morality, and there's no cogent argument to support that. Especially considering that the most atrocious acts are usually those committed in the name of God.

The sum of our philosophical wisdom is rife with lessons and guides in moral living. Even Epicurus, who this essay horribly misrepresents, taught the following:

"It is impossible to live a pleasant life without living wisely and well and justly (agreeing 'neither to harm nor be harmed'). And it is impossible to live wisely and well and justly without living a pleasant life."

Yeah, he sounds like a real bastard. Glad you put him in his place.
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Humber, you have to be kidding me with that BS
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Old 09-21-2008, 12:28 AM
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Humber, admit it: you disbelieve in Hinduism and Buddhism because you're terrified of being reincarnated into a lower form because of your bad Karma.

Humber, admit it: you disbelieve in Thor because you know you're not a warrior and wouldn't live forever in Valhalla when you die.
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Arrow Why is this Christian so angry?

The OP is a perfect illustration of the angry Christian, stomping his little feet in protest people not fearing his imaginary friend. The guy is so obviously dissatisfied and unfulfilled by his religion, that he has to go to effort of tossing off a little rant filled with condescension and sarcasm. I guess that it really sticks in his craw that people are moral independent of religious their convictions and that atheists won't obey him and his fairytales. How little imagination does one have to have to understand that morals have value all by themselves and that there is no need some cosmic enforcer to make sure people conduct themselves properly.
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For curiosity's sake I would like to ask the follow question:
To those who do not believe in "God", do you agree with humber, in so much that you believe your atheism is not entirely caused by logic, or do you feel that your disbelief, is in fact, caused by logic alone.
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I'm an atheist, but it has nothing to do with my so-called desire to be "autonomous, loose, and randy". I simply did a lot of Bible study and thought that it sounded like a lot of hooey. The more I read, the less credible it seemed. My disbelief was a natural progression. It had nothing to do with religious people acting like morons, because there are plenty of moronic non-believers as well. It wasn't because I wanted to be a hedonist and religion was holding me back.

I wonder if the people I encountered at Six Flags yesterday who spit on me, line jumped, and smacked their children around were all atheists?

Are prisoners atheists?
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packers2 was more interesting than this...
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I plan to sit on one of the seven park benches on Main Street (in Manayunk) this evening—perhaps from about 7:30 until about 9 pm or so. If you were to assign an address to the bench, it would be about 4420 Main Street, but I don’t think there is a building for that address. It’s a little plaza-park passageway between Main Street and the Canal Walkway. Why not come. Let’s talk. I’ve done this perhaps six times over the last several months, and I’ve enjoyed getting to meet various people. One was a psychiatrist; some are half-drunk. Maybe you’ll give me the privilege of meeting you this evening. It’s not too far from Green Lane Bridge. Let’s talk atheism, theism, evolutionism, Jesus, and the Bible.
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