Arthur Kaplan distinguished chairman of the University of Pennsylvania medical ethics board has tended his belief Sarah Palin’s religious beliefs would regress scientific fact.

Science agrees with Creationism that before Universes and Galaxies existed there was nothing but Chaos a conglomerate of nothing and everything going nowhere accomplishing anything.


Somehow Order came from Chaos.

The difference between Kaplan and Palin is how this was accomplished.
Kaplan believes in Darwin’s theory that it just happened. That Order will automatically come from Chaos.

Science has proven it !

Why just look around you, proof is everywhere. A teacher less room of unruly students will suddenly quiet down and take their seats. Not because an intelligent adult walked into the room but because scientifically Chaos will evolve into Order.

If police would only leave a riotous mob alone, they would stop and rebuild the buildings they burnt down, repair all the damaged vehicles, heal the wounded and bring back the dead because Scientifically Order must evolve from Chaos.
Kaplan has stated that Palin’s belief that a Divine Creator, an intelligent spark, took Chaos and created Order from it; will impede scientific progress.

Scientific discoveries of the past twenty-five centuries will regress, dwindle and fade away.
There is only one flaw in Kaplan’s theory.

It took an intelligent spark in some individual to uncover the scientific proof of each momentous discovery.

Time and time again science has shown that all of a questions criterion must be considered to come to the truth.
Some call creationism religion.

Was it religion that pushed Jonas Salk to quest for the Polio vaccine?

Or was it his inner drive, his belief the answer was out there, his willingness to include all possible alternatives until finally without doubt he had the answer.
And with each discovery the scientist who proved it has been a firm believer in a Creator.

Einstein, Newton, Galileo back through the centuries their discoveries only convinced them all the more there had to be a Divineness that took Chaos and created so much Order.
An intelligent being clears a forested area of chaotic green and plants a garden of evenly distributed delights.

Let that intelligence cease to tend the garden and we all know what happens. The wonderful garden fades, disappears and reverts back to the chaotic green that was.
I, like Sarah Palin believe in an all encompassing, incomprehensible Creator.

Time and again men and women of science have insisted we prove our belief.
Mr. Kaplan instead of my convincing you of the Creator’s existence. Why don’t you prove to me that the Creator doesn’t exist?
Until science can prove the non-existence of a Creator to those of us who believe I must insist you continue to place that theory into your petri dish.

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Even as a person of faith, I must say that everything I have seen and read points me to the conclusion that so-called 'intelligent design' is neither a scientific or even rationally plausible theory, nor is it all that intelligent.

It is a conclusion that, by default, makes the assumption of infinite regress and that there MUST HAVE BEEN (not that can be definitively proven) an intelligent designer behind it, AND without any evolutionary process or established scientific theory like it. Rather it relies on shadowy pseudo-science crafted by a minute group of dubious fringe academics with a fundamentalist agenda- like Behe for instance and his 'irreducible complexity.'

Again, to reiterate my statement from another thread- it certainly appears that this 'intelligent design' movement and 'wedge theory' are blatant efforts to seek to cast out established scientific theory (evolution, etc), and replace it with religious/philosophical indoctrination supplemented by shady and dubious 'science' that is not congruent with the overwhelming consensus of the scientific community.

By the way, are you at all familiar with the basic concepts of evolutionary theory and natural selection? it by no means holds that 'order will automatically come from chaos,' at least as I read it. Far from it.

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rick, if you're going to represent what Darwin theorized, have the intellectual integrity to do so accurately. Darwin's theories have absolutely nothing to do with the origin of life. the book he wrote is called "The Origin of SPECIES" for a reason; abiogenesis is an entirely different subject, one not addressed by his theory of evolution.

and actually, order naturally devolves into chaos. it's called entropy. systems naturally tend to move towards the state of lowest energy.

I appreciate the criticism it causes me to reevaluate myself.
The example I used was meant to give others the essence of what I was saying. I think it accomplished that. If ever I have to posit the argument in a scientific journal I will of course take advantage of your advice. Thank you.

Creationism>intelligent design>Jesus>Saved


That is the order of this conversation....

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Good job, Rick. That make 3 of us. The only part I question is your last adjective. I agree that we cannot fully comprehend the Creator, but we can partially understand at least some of His Words... like "In the beginning, God...."

Those words were written by men and attributed to God.

Yes, Moses wrote those word, but he was inspired by God the Holy Spirit.

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Lets agree that the rule entropy applies. Order will always devolve into Chaos.
That leaves us with the question.

How did the Chaos that existed become Order?

I posit one possibility, an all encompassing incomprehensible.

What is your suggestion?

I enjoy the bible's many tales of human foibles and frailities, but my mind boggles at the concept that a God would give men the commandments and then tell them to break any one of them. Thou shalt not commit murder.

My belief in a Creator does not concieve of one that would present such a contradiction.

This convinces me the bible was written by men and interpreted by fools.