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Old 09-14-2008, 08:22 PM
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no bastards allowed.
"One of illegitimate birth shall not enter the congregation of the Lord." (Deuteronomy 23:2)

women are to be seen, used and kept silent, please follow two steps behind the man.
Women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says

Anybody want their own slave

Leviticus 25:44-46 If you want slaves, buy them from other nations (45) or from the foreigners who live in your own country, and make them your property. (46) You can own them, and even leave them to your children when you die, but do not make slaves of your own people or be cruel to them.
You can pick and choose except Jews not allowed to be slaves.

An all-seeing all-knowing diety would transcend space and time and know future events and changes in social mores therefor the diety would not make tenets that would become outmoded and contradictory.
Dissect and explain these contradictions.
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Old 09-14-2008, 10:16 PM
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The New Testament is quite clear that there is a new covenant, which supersedes the old covenant of the Old Testament. There's some pretty crazy stuff in the Old Testament.
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Old 09-14-2008, 10:32 PM
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no bastards allowed. "One of illegitimate birth shall not enter the congregation of the Lord." (Deuteronomy 23:2)
I had requested one at a time; thus, I deal with the first one. You probably will not agree with my response, so this will give you an opportunity to react to my comment. Here it is.

Comment: I have an adopted son who was “illegitimate,” but he has been baptized and is a member of a church. Jesus invites all "illegitimate" children to come to Him. He came to save sinners. See Matthew 11:28f. The OT passage was for a special time when God was preparing for the coming of the Messiah. Purity in marriage was important. There are many people today frustrated with unfaithful spouses, etc. Many "illegitimate" children today suffer in other ways. The Lord was trying to keep illegitmacy to a minimum.
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Old 09-15-2008, 08:53 AM
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Humber, What the, does that chapter and verse have to do with bastards and Jesus?

billyross, I think you need to look again, according to your bible, the man said I have not come here to replace the old law. So by his own words the old law stands. Bastards are not allowed into Church.
Hey it's your bible.
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Old 09-15-2008, 09:06 AM
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Comment: I have an adopted son who was “illegitimate,”.
How obsessive the need to push your agenda must be that you would use a child to make a point.
A self-professed Christian slandering a child's name.
Who needed to know the conditions of his birth?
IMO as long as you continue to introduce the boy as your 'adopted' you ostracize him forever excluding him while loudly voicing how wonderful you must be to have adopted him.
I speak from the experience of always being introduced as the step-son even when people would say, 'these are your children.' The reply would be, 'all except him, he's my step son'.
If you make someone a member of your family IMO, they are a member of your family.
Unless in your heart you think otherwise, else you would always introduce them as my son or daughter, never using the word adopted.

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Old 09-15-2008, 11:49 AM
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The "boy" is now a man of 23. We adopted him almost 23 years ago. He would strongly disagree with your assessment of me. I'm glad the Lord Jesus is my final judge.

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How obsessive the need to push your agenda must be that you would use a child to make a point.
A self-professed Christian slandering a child's name.
Who needed to know the conditions of his birth?
IMO as long as you continue to introduce the boy as your 'adopted' you ostracize him forever excluding him while loudly voicing how wonderful you must be to have adopted him.
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Old 09-15-2008, 11:56 AM
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I've studied it for most of my life, have studied it in both Greek and Hebrew, and I have found Scripture to be true.
Paul, is this true? You know ancient Greek and ancient Hebrew?

I'm well impressed. Latin as well?

If you have read the Bible in multiple languages then you must have come across variations in the telling then on your own. No?
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Old 09-15-2008, 12:02 PM
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I prayed to the Lord Google and He provided me with 101 contradictions.

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...contradictions

Here is a very very interesting one since it goes to the heart of argument for Jesus being real due to fulfillment of prophesy.

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How long was Jesus in the tomb?

MAT 12:40 gives Jesus prophesying that he will spend "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth," and MAR 10:34 has "after three days (meta treis emeras) he will rise again." As far as I can see from a quick look, the prophecies have "after three days," but the post-Resurrection narratives have "on the third day."
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Paul, is this true? You know ancient Greek and ancient Hebrew? I'm well impressed. Latin as well?
I studied ancient Hebrew at Westminster Seminary--the same for ancient Greek. I studied Latin at Boston Latin School for awhile, but I changed to French--especially after I came to Philadelphia.
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Old 09-15-2008, 12:14 PM
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humber, after 23 years you never thought of him other than 'adopted'? and he has no problem with you telling the world he is illegitimate?
Did you discuss this with him, or is this your enlightened interpretation?

Ezra, no fair posting another contradiction when the other ones posted haven't been answered? Are you trying to boggle their little minds? LOL
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