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06-02-2008, 09:46 PM
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Great work Peacemover.
You did a lot of research.
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06-02-2008, 10:30 PM
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Thanks, but I think the Time article really sums up Osteen pretty well in my opinion.
Basically from what little I have read and heard Osteen teaches: -give to God and do good and you will get rich and be successful. This, in my opinion undermines the whole integrity of the Gospel and cheapens/reduces/narrows god into some sort of divine wish grantor... Apparently Osteen did not read the parable of the rich young ruler or else did not seem to get much from it: Quote:
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Peace, John My eBay World My Librarything MySpace . . . . "The brick walls are not there to keep us out. The brick walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something.
Because the brick walls are there to stop the people who don’t want it badly enough.”" -Randy Pausch, from "Achieving Your Childhood Dreams," also known as The Last Lecture
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06-02-2008, 10:40 PM
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The next time the movie "Elmer Gantry" is on TV watch it.
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06-02-2008, 10:47 PM
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I would like to see it- that is the one about the con man preacher right?
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Peace, John My eBay World My Librarything MySpace . . . . "The brick walls are not there to keep us out. The brick walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something.
Because the brick walls are there to stop the people who don’t want it badly enough.”" -Randy Pausch, from "Achieving Your Childhood Dreams," also known as The Last Lecture
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06-03-2008, 05:01 PM
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I personally like the preacher in the movie "There Will Be Blood."
I had heard about the prosperity gospel Osteen preaches. He and his wife live in quiet lavish settings apparently. His heaven is on earth it would seem....
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06-03-2008, 06:44 PM
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Fair warning: I'm not a Christian, so this may sound weird coming from me.
Being from Houston, I've driven past Compaq Center-turned-mega church that is now home to Osteen's organization. I didn't like at first when they converted the arena into a church. But as I learned more about the guy, I'm ok with him and his preaching. He's not your average Christian pastor who talks about hell and brimstones and such. He stays positive, and is obviously good at motivational speech. If he weaves in the basic Christian teachings, so much the better, I suppose, for his followers. I liken him to Deepak Chopra or many other Hindu/Eastern philosophers. Many fundamentalist Christians don't like the guy, but that's probably ego talking, since he has one of the biggest churches around.
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06-03-2008, 09:14 PM
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I watched Mr. Osteen last night for about an hour. Nothing offensive (to me) in his preaching. More of a self help guru.
There obviously must be a market for these people. He seemed OK to me. Most of the other crackpots like John Hagee are horrible. Does anyone remember "Rev. Ike" from years ago. "circulate the money y'all". I never knew Christ to be so broke.
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06-04-2008, 12:39 AM
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Joel Osteen is dangerous for the very reasons you mentioned:
-"self help guru" -"motivational" speaker He is a charlatan self-help speaker trying to masquerade as a spiritual teacher or faith leader. On top of that, the core of his message seems to be about personal gain-the what's-in-it-for-me clothed as a pseudo-"Christian" version of self-help. Why does he have so many followers and why does he sell so many books?? Because he mostly talks about the parts of the Bible he thinks people want to hear about and what God can do for them as opposed to a genuine, authentic discipleship that is more costly (in terms of investing oneself), and thus less popular. Inflammatory religious figures like Revs Hagee or Wright have gotten most of the negative, inflammatory news coverage in recent months with the presidential campaigns due to the whole "guilt by association" strategy being employed by both sides. Mega-church "pastors" of independent Christian churches like Osteen, Crefalo Dolar, T.D. Jakes and others are popular because they are charismatic, charming speakers AND they preach an incomplete Gospel- void of any challenges, struggle or difficulty- just lots of positive energy and self-help tips. Personally I need a faith and a message that is deeper, more genuine and authentic than that, but choosing what and who to believe are deeply personal matters of conscience that we all ultimately must make within our own hearts. Quote:
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Because the brick walls are there to stop the people who don’t want it badly enough.”" -Randy Pausch, from "Achieving Your Childhood Dreams," also known as The Last Lecture
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06-18-2008, 11:04 AM
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Peace, John My eBay World My Librarything MySpace . . . . "The brick walls are not there to keep us out. The brick walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something.
Because the brick walls are there to stop the people who don’t want it badly enough.”" -Randy Pausch, from "Achieving Your Childhood Dreams," also known as The Last Lecture
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