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Old 02-23-2008, 05:43 PM
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Please you stole everything from the traditions of the Catholic church. So unoriginal. Just come back into the fold already. Or split from us completely and use none of our thousands year old traditions. GET YOUR OWN! Stop being pretenders. Come up with something original...not so easy yeah..takes couple hunderd years at least. Keep trying though..may get something in 400 years or so...
Are you serious? Or are you posting this to be funny? I can't really tell.

We Piskies didn't "steal" anything. The Roman Catholic Church doesn't hold the market on those rituals and traditions. Anyone anywhere can practice them.
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Speaking of Episcopal/Anglican churches, are there any in the Philly metro area that have a blend of traditional and contemporary; liturgical and sacred yet alive with the sense of the Holy Spirit? It seems that its either one or the other with Episcopal churches (and in Northeast America its usually only traditional/liturgical). I attended churches with these blends in San Francisco and the mid-west and have sought for something similar here. Would love to hear of any recommendations!
Hmm, I trying to figure what you'd like, I'm thinking of "low church", maybe? Do you prefer folksy/guitar hymns as opposed to traditional choir/organ? And a plainer building instead of an ornate one?

I'm thinking maybe St. Peter's or Christ Church in Center City. Maybe SouthPhillyLady can tell you about her church.
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Please you stole everything from the traditions of the Catholic church. So unoriginal. Just come back into the fold already. Or split from us completely and use none of our thousands year old traditions. GET YOUR OWN! Stop being pretenders. Come up with something original...not so easy yeah..takes couple hunderd years at least. Keep trying though..may get something in 400 years or so...
Way to be divisive and unwelcoming. Is it really about "who came first"? I thought we were all united, through Christ, as one body. I thought the whole point of our faith in God was to be brought together by his grace, not divided by claims on whose traditions are older and more valid. If anything, you should feel flattered that we Anglicans "stole" your traditions, because it means we feel connected to the Catholic tradition and its something we share. Don't make this into a negative thing. There's already too much division within the church.
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Hmm, I trying to figure what you'd like, I'm thinking of "low church", maybe? Do you prefer folksy/guitar hymns as opposed to traditional choir/organ? And a plainer building instead of an ornate one?

I'm thinking maybe St. Peter's or Christ Church in Center City. Maybe SouthPhillyLady can tell you about her church.
Yes, maybe I am more of a "low church" person, although I do appreciate ornate church architecture. Where is St. Peter's?
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Way to be divisive and unwelcoming. Is it really about "who came first"? I thought we were all united, through Christ, as one body. I thought the whole point of our faith in God was to be brought together by his grace, not divided by claims on whose traditions are older and more valid. If anything, you should feel flattered that we Anglicans "stole" your traditions, because it means we feel connected to the Catholic tradition and its something we share. Don't make this into a negative thing. There's already too much division within the church.
AMEN!
Really, if we want to "split hairs", we can say the Catholic Church (well, Christianity in general) "stole" a whole bunch of rituals invented by the Jews and the Pagans. But is that really important? No.

St. Peter's:
http://www.stpetersphila.org/
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Are you serious? Or are you posting this to be funny? I can't really tell.

We Piskies didn't "steal" anything. The Roman Catholic Church doesn't hold the market on those rituals and traditions. Anyone anywhere can practice them.
And the Catholic Church "Stole" them from where? Your comments is the only reason why I am not Catholic. It is amazing how people think that Catholicism was the First and Original Religion. Like they are the standard of Virtue and Piety. How would I know you ask? After Episcopal School I went to Catholic Girls HS.

Truth be told, during Queen Elizabeth I reign both Anglican and Catholics used the SAME prayer book. And it was a Anglican (Episcopalian) who started the Baptist Religion...so should we accuse Baptist of "stealing" the idea of communion? Same with Methodism (split from Episcopal) AME (a Combination) and Lutherism (Split from Catholicism)...Whatever...

co-sign with Eloree very well put!!

ANY WHOOO.

Anyway, eloree What are you looking for in type of the church. We combine traditional with modern. There are other churches that combine like the Episcopal Church of St. Thomas, St. Luke's, Holy Cross and the Mediator and St. George's. I went to St. Peter's school and till this day St. Peter's is straight traditional, likewise St. Clements, St. Mark's and Holy Trinity @ Rittenhouse.

As one of the youngest members of the church we are trying to incorporate new things while still keeping the traditional ways.

If you have any questions, please feel free to PM me.

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And, thank you, Killbillrain, for reminding me why I became an Episcopalian!
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The Episcopal Church has its good points, but it also has its bad points:
  • Bishop Charles Bennison has been suspended for covering up abuse
  • Bennison has also been widely accused of mismanagement and financial irregularities
  • The church accepts McGreevy into the seminary - someone who has made a life out of lying, cheating, and stealing.
  • Many Episcopal churches that I have visited have an elitist holier than thou attitude where only people with money and/or connections are welcome.
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Eloree, don't know what part of town is best for you, or how far you want to drive...but two more suggestions. I belong to Good Shepherd, East Falls. We are a small yet diverse group of people -white, african american, latino, straight, gay from assorted backgrounds -cradle episcopalians, former roman catholics, eastern orthodoxs, methodists, no church at all.

If you are near UPenn/Drexel, you might want to try the Cathedral. Dean Giles was instrumental in some radical redesign of the space when it was renovated. Moveable chairs versus pews, a beautiful fountain-baptismal font-art installations in the space and a team approach to worship services which involves a lot of lay participation and responsibility.

Check out the DioPA web site for the parish finder map and links to church web sites. www.diopa.org
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The Episcopal Church has its good points, but it also has its bad points:
  • Bishop Charles Bennison has been suspended for covering up abuse
  • Bennison has also been widely accused of mismanagement and financial irregularities
  • The church accepts McGreevy into the seminary - someone who has made a life out of lying, cheating, and stealing.
  • Many Episcopal churches that I have visited have an elitist holier than thou attitude where only people with money and/or connections are welcome.
Ugh. I don't even know where to begin

First off- Bishop Bennison will probably be out of office by year's end, he's more or less being forced out. Unlike some other Churches, the Episcopal Church holds its clergy accountable for covered-up abuse. There's a Zero Tolerance Policy regarding abuse, and we mean just that- ZERO tolerance.

McGreevy is taking SOME courses at a seminary. ANYBODY can take courses at a seminary. This does not mean that they have been accepted into the priesthood!

How "many" Episcopal churches have you visited to conclude that all Episcopal churches are elitist? My parish has members of all economic backgrounds and all are welcome. And in all my time belonging there (almost 2.5 years now) I haven't been asked to tithe ONCE!
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