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Originally Posted by jizay
Here's where all of your confusion is, but I can sort it out for you if you are humble enough to consider. #3 is the important one; don't bother to respond to 1 or 2 with emotion if you won't answer #3.
1) Jews are indeed over-represented in medicine and law (and accounting) in that they are not merely 2-3% of the group. That is rooted in recent history; if you were educated and wanted to make money, you couldn't do it by rising in business if you were a Jew because of discrimination. Therefore, they started proprietorships. Over-representation does not mean, however, that they are in a majority in those professions. Far far from it. Probably less than 20%.
2) Being a doctor does not mean that you control the medical establishment. If Jews commonly become doctors, that does not mean they decide that circumcision is routine practice.
3) Your assertion that other countries don't do it is a willful ignorance of the information I have already given you. Canada, Australia, and the UK were doing it routinely a few decades ago, and have recently scaled back due to public awareness campaigns. That supports a "cultural" argument, but completely shatters the Jewish argument. It seems that the most "British" places were the ones that took to using it the most.
I called you anti-semitic not for criticizing Judaism - I know that you criticize all religions - but because you blamed Judaism where it had no place, basing your theory on myth and suspicion.
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The situation is that circumcision is based on a superstition, and a rather serious one at that. I believe that it's a kind of like "knocking on wood," if you will, to perform this thing on babies, even if they aren't Jews. It had to have been spread by Jews as it's their superstition, thus their bias.
Also, cognitive dissonance is going to make them want to recommend and rationalize the practice. That's because they would have to deal with having been mutilated. Denial of the mutilation strengthens the tradition and nonsense behind it, because if you don't force yourself to believe then you must deal with the fact that your life is a joke, and that your parents are stupid and didn't protect you.
I can hear Jews, think Dr. Zioberg on Futurama (the milk throat syndrome), creating the BS explanations that circumcision prevents disease and whatnot. Yes, cutting off any body part completely eliminates the chance it will get diseased. Denial seems to have been created in the mideast.
The bottom line is that where Jews are in small numbers, and out of power, the practice isn't done.
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The practice seems to have its roots in India. The laws of Manu indicate that it should be done to lower caste members because they do not deserve sexual pleasure.
It was probably easy for the religious leaders in the mideast to control people if they have dull, or no as in the cast with women, sexual feeling. That way they will enjoy their spouse less and find more interest in the psychotic thought process offered by the evil hucksters (rabbis, Imans, etc).
This is the general reason why women are vilified in the bible. Once you fall for one, she's the center of the family, and the priest can't have that. That's why he stands in the middle of the couple to marry them and there's so much negative focus on sex in the bible. It's a power scheme.
To a non-religious person this stuff is extremely obvious.
11-15-2007, 12:17 AM
