Deceptive religious practices - Page 7 - PhillyBlog

geoffrobinson · #61 (**permalink**) 09-22-2007, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Phillybud

Uh huh. Sounds like blaming the victim for their misfortune. Yes, and English settlers in the New World received resistance and harassment from the native Indian tribes; so that justified what happened to the Indians in the next two centuries ... right?

In my comments, I condemned this lack of forgiveness as falling short of the commands laid forth by Jesus himself.

geoffrobinson · #62 (**permalink**) 09-22-2007, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Tree

An even better example would be a group that claims to be Christian, but also believe that the prophet Mohammed was the last and most perfect prophet, and that the Koran is the final revelation of God on earth. Then, they start calling themselves Prophetic Christians, and start going to Christian groups to recruit people to their cause. Would you be upset if they call themselves Christians?

Maybe. But I wouldn't call them deceptive if they actually believed that. Because that would be a sin for me to claim they are purposely deceiving people when they actually believe something to be true.

Wouldn't that fall under Lashon Hara?

geoffrobinson · #63 (**permalink**) 09-22-2007, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ScorpioRose

I can prove that J was not the true Jewish Messiah. But everytime I do, Christianmissionaries to the Jews say to me, "That is so interesting! I have to research that and get back to you".

And they never do.

Start a new thread. Don't be all over the place. I'll get back to you. Start with Jeconiah objection. That's my favorite one to debunk.

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Originally Posted by ScorpioRose

What especially annoys me is that the Christian Bible gives permission to Christians to deceive other people, by posing as others so as to convert them to Christianity.

From the ASV, 1 Cor. 9:20:

For though I was free from all men, I brought myself under bondage to all, that I might gain the more. And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, not being myself under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; to them that are without law, as without law, not being without law to God, but under law to Christ, that I might gain them that are without law

From David Daube's "The New Testament and Rabbinic Judaism":

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[This idea is] taken over by Paul from Jewish teaching on the subject: the idea that you must adopt the customs and mood of the person you wish to win over...
This attitude had formed part of Jewish missionary practice long before Paul. Two Talmudic illustrations of Hillel's work are relevant: he accepted into the fold a gentile who refused to acknowledge the oral Law, and he accepted another who refused to acknowledge any Law beyond the most fundamental ethical principle. ... At the decisive moment of conversion, he fell in with the notions of the applicant and declared himself satisfied with recognition of the written Law or a single, basic moral precept. ...
Both Jewish and Christian circles which were desirous of proselytes, in approaching heathens, deliberately stressed the precepts concerning decency and good manners at the expense of levitical and theological ones...
Paul, when he wrote the passage from 1 Corinthians quoted at the beginning, was drawing on a living element in Jewish religion.

David Daube, The New Testament and Rabbinic Judaism (Salem, NH: Ayer Company, Publishers, Inc., 1992), p. 336-341.