Originally Posted by Dolemite

I think Doc G and my opinions are also tainted by having young children which I believe you don't have.

Originally Posted by lbphilly

Garage fronts are teh evil.

(There. Someone had to say it.)

Originally Posted by Lolly

Hey I know! Here's a way I think I can get this discussion going in another direction (yet still stay somewhat on topic)...

I forgot to mention that the developer on this project says he is in negotiations with Starbucks for one of the ground floor retail spaces in the mixed use building I mentioned up-thread, that they're planning to start building (soon, in 2008) on the corner of 20th & Washington.

Okay, discuss.

(Meanwhile I better get back to work now, or it's going to be yet another very late night for me...)

Originally Posted by gap27

I don't know...this stuff does not seem like good infill to me. G-Ho deserves better than this. Its actually really disappointing to hear that everyone is falling head over heels for this stuff. Maybe the website isn't doing the quality justice, but I just don't see the appeal in spending 650k on fairly commonplace finishes.

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/rfs/447238476.html

I mean really...this is appealing?

Originally Posted by Lolly

I'm sure you're right about this example but unfortunately both of your links point me to exactly the same place. (Which actually looks to me like a very ugly NON-garage front house on Christian Street. LOL)

I was going to try my luck at sending an example link of my own back at ya, but it appears Google Street View hasn't made it there yet. However, I'm sure you are familiar with the block I'm talking about - the very ugly/institutional-looking non-garage fronts on the north side of South Street, I believe between 20th & 21st (adjacent to Ten Stone). That is the sort of design I think we all agree need to be avoided (with or without garages). And the row of non-garage houses down another block on South (between 19th & 20th) aren't so hot either.

Originally Posted by dr_gingivitis

some of the ugliest houses I've seen built in the city are garage fronts. Here's a good example:

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&om=1...80835491804545

(man I love google street view)
This is one of the newest houses on my block, it's by far the ugliest, cheapest construction I've seen, the interior is even worse, if that's at all possible. Here's what's even worse, here's the back:
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&om=1...16672833727276

No reason the garage, or even just carport, couldn't have been in the back! I'd love to have that setup!

Originally Posted by Lolly

Hey I know! Here's a way I think I can get this discussion going in another direction (yet still stay somewhat on topic)...

I forgot to mention that the developer on this project says he is in negotiations with Starbucks for one of the ground floor retail spaces in the mixed use building I mentioned up-thread, that they're planning to start building (soon, in 2008) on the corner of 20th & Washington.

Okay, discuss.

Originally Posted by Lolly

Oh, yes, how right you are! It is hard to understand WTF they would put a garage in there at all when they have that back area there just asking for a car port.

Also, that bay window is pretty hideous. I really don't understand why so many of the new houses with bays get them SO wrong.
(At least our house doesn't have one of those.)

Originally Posted by dr_gingivitis

It's starting asking price was, (take big drink of water, hold it in your mouth, now wait for it...)
$700,000!!!
(Now wipe water off of computer)

It's a horrible house, they've come down to $550,000 I think, which is still rediculous. It's sad, a nice non-garage bay window house just sold on our block for $500,000. The same house on this lot with the parking in the rear probably could have sold for $575,000-$600,000.