My son loves Pumpkin Market too, btw. We went for the first time the other day. Sat at the window and watched the passers-by. He was facinated by their use of galvanized pipes as table legs and galvanzied buckets as lampshades - details I probably wouldn't have noticed were it not for him. The people working there were very charming to him and I would recommend it for a good spot.

His ultimate favorite, though, is Whole Foods' avacado sushi. Every time I eat there, I notice that the place is packed with moms and kids.

The above was recently quoted in this blog. The only reason i noticed it was because www.responsibilityproject.com seems to be a purchaser of google ad space.

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I see babies in some restaurants/bars that doesn't bother me.
What bothers me is seeing any child from the age of 3 or older who are out past 7PM.

If there is a separate eating area away from an actual bar where children are with their parents that is OK

Other than that bar/restaurants are for adults only.

Isn't it terribly expensive to take a family of 3 or 4 out almost everynight. I see that and it baffles me.

I don't mind kids at the bars, AT the Tables... not at the actual bar... and yes, I agree... after 8 or so... the Kids shouldn't be out anyway.

I was out at an Outback in Jersey last month, and this family decided since they didn't feel like waiting for a table, they'd sit at the bar... the parents and THREE kids... thats 5 bar seats being taken up... the poor bartender, that is 3 seats that could be getting used by actual adults who will tip... so NO KIDS AT THE BAR (plus I think it's the law in PA)

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Yup, is the law in PA as I learned in Yello'bar when my daughter and I were politely asked to move to a table after taking a seat at the "upper level" bar (see waaay back in this thread!). I would never take her to a "bar" bar, but a pub-type place that offers a full menu of food seems totally appropriate if it is early and (as I learned) we're eating dinner at a table.

In other words, McGlinchey's: no way. Grace: I don't think so. Yello'bar, 10 Stone, even Sidecar: fine if it's early before the real "bar" crowd comes in. In fact, we enjoyed a nice family dinner at Yello'bar just last night....

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the comments on that post are hysterical.

zOMG YOU'D TAKE YOUR SWEET SWEET BABY OUT OF THE HOUSE INTO THE CRUEL CRUEL WORLD? YOU SHOULD BE BEATEN AND JAILED, AND YOUR BABY SHOULD BE TAKEN FROM YOU BY THE STATE!

note to self: just when you think people are normal, they remind you that they're nuts.

anyway, hubba1, ahbinpa--that's interesting that it's the law here; i'll keep it in mind. relatedly: we were on a layover in chicago one time and started to play some cards at the airport bar. the bartender stopped us, since it's apparently against the law there.

The PA law means "bar" literally -- it was fine to be in the joint, but not at the bar itself. Although, I have had the same situation as noted in the tread linked above somewhere... waiting for a table in a Main Line chain sports bar (there was a UK basketball game getting ready to start and I was compelled to go somewhere and watch it on big screens!) and kids were taking up valuable barstools. Not my kid mind you, but other folks kids. (We made the 11 year old stand while we sat... ) (just joking!)

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As a former bartender, don't bring your kids to the bar. Its annoying. Every bartender cringes when they see a little tyke come in, believe me I've worked in many places and have know 100+ bartenders whom I've talked with about this very issue. Bars are not for children, most people go to bars to get away from kids, really what kind of parent would bring their kids to a bar anyway? Maybe you shouldn't have had children in the first place if you still hang out in bars. Its just irresponsible and makes you look like (and you are) a bad parent. I once had a kid and his dad at the bar and a couple next to them was making out, groping and cursing. Well the dad complained... Guess who I told to leave: The kid and his dad. Bars are NOT a place for children! Go to Chuckie Cheese.

While many things are indeed illegal, it is very common for people working in bars to say something is illegal when it isn't. It's an easy out. Don't want to do something, hey it's illegal!

Legally there are no bars in Pennsylvania, only restaurants with bars. To have a liquor license, either R or E, you must provide food, serving utensils, and seating.

Minors are allowed into a licensed establishment when accompanied by a parent. There is no law restricting as to where in the establishment they may sit. Businesses may wish to reserve bar seats for paying adults drinking adult priced beverages, in which case it is a house policy not the law. Again, it's an easy way out to blame the law.

Minors are allowed into certain licensed establishments without a parent under certain conditions, known as the Pizza Hut exemption (which was described in a previous post).

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