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Old 06-24-2008, 06:52 PM
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If you don't find the body the person is considered missing. If someone doesn't die on the day they are shot sometimes the death can be related to something else other than the attacker. Theres probably a lot more I'm not thinking of.
No, if someone is shot, then later dies, it is still considered a homicide.
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Last September Lynn Abraham filed homicide charges against a shooter when the victim died 41 years later.
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41 years after the shooting, the district attorney filed new charges of murder after the officer, Walter T. Barclay Jr., died of an infection she says stems from the shooting. Mr. Barnes, now 71, was sent back to prison.

“The law is that when you set in motion a chain of events,” District Attorney Lynne M. Abraham said, “a perpetrator of a crime is responsible for every single thing that flows from that chain of events, no matter how distant, as long as we can prove the chain is unbroken.”
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Guess they never heard of Scott Peterson before. The police never found her body, but Lacie Peterson isn't "missing" and her husband is on death row for murder-not maybe knowing something about a missing person.

Where the hell do people get this stuff? Oh, that's right-the innernets.
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Guess they never heard of Scott Peterson before. The police never found her body, but Lacie Peterson isn't "missing" and her husband is on death row for murder-not maybe knowing something about a missing person.

Where the hell do people get this stuff? Oh, that's right-the innernets.
Yeah, they found her body and the kid's, too.

From Wikipedia: "On April 13, 2003, a couple walking their dog discovered the decomposing but well-preserved body of a late-term male fetus on the San Francisco Bay shore in Richmond's Point Isabel Regional Shoreline park[18], north of Berkeley. One day later, the body of a recently-pregnant woman, wearing cream-colored maternity pants and a maternity bra, washed to shore one mile away from where the baby's body was found. The woman's cause of death was impossible to discern; due to decomposition, the body was decapitated, the forearms were missing, the right foot gone, and the left leg from the knee down was missing. Later reports from the medical examiner revealed that there were injuries, two cracked ribs, that happened at or about the time of death. DNA tests verified that they were the bodies of Laci Peterson and her son. Mother and fetus had not been separated by coffin birth, as had been speculated. Rather, Laci's upper torso had been emptied of internal organs and allowed for the fetus to pass through a perforation in the top of the decomposing uterus."

But you're right that it's normally very difficult to prove murder without a body. "corpus delicti"
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Yeah, they found her body and the kid's, too.

From Wikipedia: "On April 13, 2003, a couple walking their dog discovered the decomposing but well-preserved body of a late-term male fetus on the San Francisco Bay shore in Richmond's Point Isabel Regional Shoreline park[18], north of Berkeley. One day later, the body of a recently-pregnant woman, wearing cream-colored maternity pants and a maternity bra, washed to shore one mile away from where the baby's body was found. The woman's cause of death was impossible to discern; due to decomposition, the body was decapitated, the forearms were missing, the right foot gone, and the left leg from the knee down was missing. Later reports from the medical examiner revealed that there were injuries, two cracked ribs, that happened at or about the time of death. DNA tests verified that they were the bodies of Laci Peterson and her son. Mother and fetus had not been separated by coffin birth, as had been speculated. Rather, Laci's upper torso had been emptied of internal organs and allowed for the fetus to pass through a perforation in the top of the decomposing uterus."

But you're right that it's normally very difficult to prove murder without a body. "corpus delicti"
Weren't their bodies found some time after the trial, though, proving that even without the "corpus delicti" one can go to trial and be found guilty of a homicide?
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Weren't their bodies found some time after the trial, though, proving that even without the "corpus delicti" one can go to trial and be found guilty of a homicide?
Although I'm sure you could very easily look this up yourself, Scott Peterson was not even arrested until after the bodies were discovered.

And yes, there have been successful murder convictions without a body. You may remember a little case around here about 10 years ago featuring Tom Capano?

And while corpus delicti does mean "body of crime", it's more figurative than literal. It really means you can't convict for a crime unless you can prove that the crime actually happened. My using that term in this context may have been slightly misleading. The term is just as applicable to arson as it is murder.
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Although I'm sure you could very easily look this up yourself, Scott Peterson was not even arrested until after the bodies were discovered.

And yes, there have been successful murder convictions without a body. You may remember a little case around here about 10 years ago featuring Tom Capano?

And while corpus delicti does mean "body of crime", it's more figurative than literal. It really means you can't convict for a crime unless you can prove that the crime actually happened. My using that term in this context may have been slightly misleading. The term is just as applicable to arson as it is murder.
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Hospitalitygirl doesn't want to admit the facts, but the former chief said it himself. The stats were bogus. Does anyone remember the center city rapist? The city had a rapist for 2 years before the police even admitted there was a rapist. The cops were misclassifying the rapes as simple assaults or something minor.
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Hospitalitygirl doesn't want to admit the facts, but the former chief said it himself. The stats were bogus. Does anyone remember the center city rapist? The city had a rapist for 2 years before the police even admitted there was a rapist. The cops were misclassifying the rapes as simple assaults or something minor.

Rapes and assaults are one thing -- homocides are another.

You can't cook the books when it comes to murders.
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