Has anyone heard anything recently about this proposed project? I think the development group (Ruggerio; same one that is doing Independence Court) was supposed to resubmit a proposal to try to get the zoning restrictions changed. I didn't see it on the agenda for the QV Zoning board meeting tonight, did anyone attend?

Is that Liberty Landing?

I don't believe so. Liberty Landing looks much more massive than the one I'm hearing about. I don't think this project is supposed to be right on the waterfront; probably closer or right next to I-95. I'm having a hard time picturing that intersection/location. Perhaps I will take a stroll down that way...

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It must be by the off-ramp of I-95, on the west side of Delaware Ave. There's a big grass lot there now, across from Dockside.

I read about a proposed project (likely this same one) on the Delaware Valley Regional Planning Commission website -> there was a meeting of the Urban Waterfront Action Group which caught my attn, since I will soon be living near the S. Delaware Ave. waterfront.

-> http://www.dvrpc.org/about/agenda/UWAG/uwag2005-03.htm

Yeah. When you're in the city, the main thing is be able to drive around with no congestion. There should be no development if it hinders our ability to drive and park hassle-free. Actually, they shouldn't build any more nice apartment buildings along the river there - that would just cause more congestion, and I'd rather have those nice empty lots and piers anyway - it makes me feel more like I'm in that quiet pastoral suburb where I'd really probably rather be anyway.

Well, but there is an interesting point to be made about the Delaware Avenue corridor here. There is a lot of congestion now and there are a lot of things that could happen/are happening along that corridor (residential development at Christian, casino at Dickinson?) that could potentially worsen things. Meanwhile there is not much transit to speak of, and yet a train track sits (mostly) idle in the middle of the street. I know the DRPA has a proposal related to this. There really needs to be some thought given to better transit in this area (though the suburban-style design of the strip makes it transit-hostile to a certain extent).

Here are some links to the QV Neighbors Association newsletter that discusses the project in brief. Note these are PDF documents

http://www.qvna.org/Crier/February05Crier.pdf

Page 4 mentions this project.

And more recently:

http://www.qvna.org/Crier/March05Crier.pdf

Right on page 1, left hand column.

I'd certainly like to see something in that barren area. I walked down Queen St. under the highway and was amazed to find some old rowhomes along that street, before you hit Columbus. Of course, there's not a lot of reason to be on foot on that side of the highway, so I guess it's not surprising that I hadn't noticed them before.

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Of course better transit is a GREAT idea. The greatest! Maybe that's what Bizzy was really trying to say, as well. But this topic has been discussed in similar threads - decent development should not be stalled until this region gets its act together around public transit. If we did that, nothing would ever get built.

In the meantime, after 40 years of thumb-twiddling, residential developers and buyers are FINALLY interested in the waterfront and people start wringing their hands "oh no, but there will be traffic!" Indeed, there will be more traffic. Isn't that sort of just what happens when more people move to a place and it ceases to be a ghost town?

If people don't like a little traffic and few more people, then they need to move to the country, not the 300-year old center of 5 million+ person metro area.

That is what i meant and it is just my opinion there is no need to be rude BC