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Old 07-08-2008, 10:42 PM
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We need to get rid of Greene and get someone in there who gives a sh*t about the law abiding, and tax paying citizens of this city. I am tired of people living off of my dime while breaking the law. These people need to go, gone from the city ideally. I wish we could turn this into an election issue, i wish there where people handing out campaign contributions that actually cared about the issues that concern philadelphians.
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Old 07-08-2008, 11:04 PM
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We need to get rid of Greene and get someone in there who gives a sh*t about the law abiding, and tax paying citizens of this city. I am tired of people living off of my dime while breaking the law. These people need to go, gone from the city ideally. I wish we could turn this into an election issue, i wish there where people handing out campaign contributions that actually cared about the issues that concern philadelphians.
I remember they tried to stop whitman park projects and the neighbors fought for YEARS 'til a womwn was murdered by cross fire, That was the end and the projects were born, 30 yrs later total SH!I hole, can't fight the FEDS.
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Old 07-08-2008, 11:25 PM
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Isn't the RCA low-income deal up in 2010? I thought I read somewhere on this blog that it was supposed to be done in 2007 and got extended until 2010. Isn't it fair game for market rate development after that?

Incidentally, anyone seen the movie Slow Burn? I ended up watching it solo a year ago when I was stuck in a foreign city overnight, and have been waiting to bring up that plot line re: the Queen Village low-income housing.
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Old 07-09-2008, 01:38 AM
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RIIIGHT... like PHA ever enforces that. LOL
My understanding is that they did and they do. It stopped a lot of grandmothers

However, you can't connect someone dealing on 5th St to a re-up house without surveillance, which means I'm going to stop typing and tell you to watch the first season of The Wire.

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If it did this city would lose a 100,000 residents!
Chestnut, man, generally I like you. But everyone once in a while you come out with stupid, ad homenin **** like that, and I start to wonder. Saying that all the residents of public housing and Section 8 are drug dealers is like saying all homosexuals are pedophiles.
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Uh, the projects (high rise towers, two of which were demolished) were there before anyone started calling the neighborhood "Bella Vista"; basically you all moved in next to it and are now complaining that it's a problem.

It reminds me of the old joke, the one with the punchline: "Look, lady, you knew I was a rattlesnake when you took me home!"
Same can be said about parking on Broad St. and Washington Ave. which we all know is more serious than a few shootings.
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Old 07-09-2008, 02:19 AM
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Same can be said about parking on Broad St. and Washington Ave. which we all know is more serious than a few shootings.
Hey, I've never complained about the parking on south Broad St, I just pointed out that it's illegal.

The Washington Ave parking was dealt with in the early 90's, when they finally got the rail track out of the center of the road. The law was enforced for several years. At some point, they stopped enforcing it; if you go look there are still "No Angle Parking" signs along Washington Ave.

As to the shootings: they're a tragedy, but I didn't buy a house next to public housing, so they impact me not at all.
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As to the shootings: they're a tragedy, but I didn't buy a house next to public housing, so they impact me not at all.
I'm not sure how you decided that this thread has anything to do with you other than to display your own self importance. I don't care about many things on PB but I don't need to litter threads with the fact that I don't care about them. Violence in Philly is at an epidemic level and doesn't need to be at your next door neighbor's house to matter. Many people have beautiful homes in that otherwise beautiful neighborhood and they deserve to live in a civilized manner.

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Old 07-09-2008, 04:03 AM
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I'm not sure how you decided that this thread has anything to do with you other than to display your own self importance. I don't care about many things on PB but I don't need to litter threads with the fact that I don't care about them. Violence in Philly is at an epidemic level and doesn't need to be at your next door neighbor's house to matter. Many people have beautiful homes in that otherwise beautiful neighborhood and they deserve to live in a civilized manner.

Feel free to filter your PB viewing to avoid threads that you don't find to impact your existence.
DogFaceBoy was trolling (as usual); I responded in kind.

I actually suspect the city is much less violent than it was in the 19th century (the 19th century was a time of really staggering violence, on the social and domestic levels). Crime is another matter entirely, as is the murder rate

As far as fighting crime goes, the new commissioner seems to have the right track; he's actually talking about neighborhood policing and having cops (gasp!) walk the beat. If the police are a constant and mobile presence in an area, they are a great deterrent to crime.

So you had a shooting near subsidized housing that a)hasn't completely stabilized yet b)is still surrounded by empty buildings and c) is still functioning as an open-air drug market.

What do you think caused this shooting? Could it have been drugs? Or maybe an argument over the selling of drugs? Perhaps if we knew the answer, we could solve the problem.

Or maybe we should just do what most people in this thread seem to want to do: point out that the victim was black, point out that all black people are trash and suggest demolishing all public housing and sending "those people" somewhere else?

But where? Maybe we should build concentration camps; maybe we should make them work for what they get; after all, work makes people free...
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Old 07-09-2008, 04:31 AM
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DogFaceBoy was trolling (as usual); I responded in kind.

I actually suspect the city is much less violent than it was in the 19th century (the 19th century was a time of really staggering violence, on the social and domestic levels). Crime is another matter entirely, as is the murder rate

As far as fighting crime goes, the new commissioner seems to have the right track; he's actually talking about neighborhood policing and having cops (gasp!) walk the beat. If the police are a constant and mobile presence in an area, they are a great deterrent to crime.

So you had a shooting near subsidized housing that a)hasn't completely stabilized yet b)is still surrounded by empty buildings and c) is still functioning as an open-air drug market.

What do you think caused this shooting? Could it have been drugs? Or maybe an argument over the selling of drugs? Perhaps if we knew the answer, we could solve the problem.

Or maybe we should just do what most people in this thread seem to want to do: point out that the victim was black, point out that all black people are trash and suggest demolishing all public housing and sending "those people" somewhere else?

But where? Maybe we should build concentration camps; maybe we should make them work for what they get; after all, work makes people free...
1) You posted here (in a thread that does not impact you) prior to DogFaceBoy
2) a)I consider crime and murder to be violence. b)I was not comparing it to the 19th century nor any other century.
3) Police presence, I agree that this is of the utmost importance.
4) This area (Queen Village, not Bella Vista as you stated earlier) was probably a good neighborhood when Old Swedes was built. That was before the high rise projects so doesn't that take precedent over the people who bought after the high rises were demolished. Point being, none of this has any bearing on people being able to live in a civilized environment.
5) I think drugs, bad community values, MIA fathers, welfare mothers, teen mothers, gangsta lifestyles, dropouts, and expecting something for nothing cause these issues. I think unlimited handouts contribute to the problem. Eventually, people need to stop taking and start being productive members of society. Its just a vicious cycle as it stands.
6) No comment.
7) Work isn't such a bad thing. I sure do enough of it. In fact, that's why I'm up in the middle of the night tonight. I saw an interesting bumper sticker the other day. "Keep working hard. Millions on welfare are counting on you". It really doesn't work if it is a lifestyle instead of assistance. Some people look at me like I had handouts even though I earn every cent I get. I work 90 hour weeks at times but I'm judged as if I'm "lucky". Sometimes I wonder why I don't just get on the city bankroll.

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Old 07-09-2008, 10:57 PM
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It's more of the thug life that black males strive to achieve. Having shot someone or being shot is a greater badge of honor then having a good job and a decent home. And lets not forget about fathering children with every girl in the neighborhood
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