Jesus looked favorably upon and forgave many people, including some with hatred and malice in their hearts.

I was just wondering if you had a reasoned argument as to being both a Christian and a proponent of such hateful actions.

Not personally.

Would you say that you are and that you follow them?

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pathologicalesis - 5.28.08

"actually, yes, if what you meant (by asking a rhetroical question to which the obvious answer is 'no') was that no one has actually suggested that"
Nipsey reveals the Holy Grail - 3.10.08

When they sought forgiveness. I don't recall Connor ever making any statements that could be construed as asking for forgiveness.

All men are fallen, but I do the best I possibly can.

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Did the Romans seek forgiveness when Jesus was on the cross? I must have missed that part.

OK, well, I found out what I wanted to know. Have a nice day.

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pathologicalesis - 5.28.08

"actually, yes, if what you meant (by asking a rhetroical question to which the obvious answer is 'no') was that no one has actually suggested that"
Nipsey reveals the Holy Grail - 3.10.08

The law on the books is a summary offense 'Public Drunkenness' where the subject would be given a 'ticket' for being drunk in public. The problem with someone 'so' drunk that they are incoherent or even passed out, (besides not being able to sign the citation) is that they cannot be brought into a police station without getting medical attention first. (Because of previous incidents that ended up in lawsuits)

So the usual scenario is for fire rescue to take them to a hospital, since we do not handle hospital cases anymore. We are not going to have 2 officers guard a drunk just so they can be issued a summary citation, so after they get medical attention and are probably sobered up, they are free to go.

What probably happened in your scenario is that since you said she was passed out, it became a hospital case. Usually for an incident like this a police car or wagon would have been dispatched also. I can only assume that due to the shift change the medic unit made it there first. And as Alesis said, since there was no first responder fire engine, the closest medic unit was available and took the run by itself, got there before the police and handled the situation. Sometimes the medics will wait for the police, but if she was able to walk away, then I guess they thought she was okay.

We have come a long way from just putting the drunks in the wagon and letting them sleep it off in the cell. With all of the medical issues and liability of today, it is better to be safe than sorry. The only problem is the burden that this puts on the EMS system.

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Here's the problem. You called 911 with someone passed out on the steps. That's a public safety issue. Fire rescue gets dispatched. You, me, and the guy on the corner all know it's a drunk passed out. But prove it in court. The police 9 times out of 10 are dispatched to calls like this, but it is a low priority considering the fact that rescue is responding. If the police get there while the patient is on location and rescue is refused, they can arrest them for public intoxication. BUT, in most cases, medics clear the person medically and they have no legal reason to detain them. In a perfect system, the cops would be free and able to get there in time, but manpwer dictates otherwise.
To answer other posts, Engine companies are dispatched to hospital cases in ADDITION to Rescue Squads. The idea being that most Engines can get on scene before the Squads and provide "triage" prior to the arrival of the squad.

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That's a good PC answer, but I've had 3rd and 6th district cops plainly tell me that they don't answer the calls because they're responsible for their cars, and they do not feel like spending an hour cleaning out the back because of a smelly crusty bum or a vomitous public drunkard.

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You must have met the only 2 cops who clean their cars.

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hehehe...complaining about it doesn't mean they actually do it! hehe

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Even if a drunk vomits in the back!!?? EEWWWWWWW

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