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Old 05-29-2008, 05:13 AM
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At least 5 feet of sidewalk space must remain cleared-..

Does Bridget Foy's have the 5 ft. or the 10 ft. required on corners?
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Old 05-29-2008, 05:26 AM
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With that said, your stampers square argument has no relevance to this.
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I was referring to the Stamper opposition's attempt to enforce draconian zoning policies (I'm not sure if the height limitations, etc. are laws). Perhaps the requirements for outdoor seating are also in need of revision.
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Old 05-29-2008, 07:08 AM
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The chairs and tables existed outside on the opening day.
I got there around 6 or 7pm, and they were working on putting up the wood overhang. There were not any chairs.
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Does Bridget Foy's have the 5 ft. or the 10 ft. required on corners?
Bridget Foy's is grandfathered in, as they built their outdoor patio seating before any legistlature. 30 years ago there weren't quite as many laws(or neighborhood groups)as there are today. The original sidewalk cafe law was imposed about a year after Bridget Foy's opening, but even then there were no measurement restrictions until a 2003 overhaul.

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I was referring to the Stamper opposition's attempt to enforce draconian zoning policies (I'm not sure if the height limitations, etc. are laws). Perhaps the requirements for outdoor seating are also in need of revision.
Draconian? Did Fulya receive any type of punishment? No-according to your story L&I came, asked them if they had outdoor seating, they said "no"(the truth from my eyes, but apparently they were lying according to your recount), and he said "go get a permit". No punishment, and from your own account the L&I officer was more than nice, which is a hell of a lot better than the treatment most businesses receive.

As for laws being draconian, the reason punishments have to hit offender's pocket books are simple-fines that are cheap to pay off will cause many violations and less compliance. New York tried cheap fines-guess what happened? Restaurants and bars considered it to merely be a rent payment for the sidewalk, and everyday a person would walk around and give tickets, while the managers would gladly accept them as the cost of doing business. Hell, no need for insurance, bonding, or anything. All was fine and good until an accident happened. The restaurant, city, and everyone in between got used for negligence and in the end the city and restaurant lost a ton of money.

Oh, surely that wouldn't happen here? Well, within a year we've had cars go through the areas of Coquette's and Bridget Foy's sidewalk seating, so yes-sh&t does happen.
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Sorry, draconian was probably a horrible choice of words. An outdated, less-than-flexible zoning code is what I was thinking.
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Sorry, draconian was probably a horrible choice of words. An outdated, less-than-flexible zoning code is what I was thinking.
The code is flexible, which is why we have variances. Neighborhood groups-not so flexible.

At anyrate, I swear on a million bibles that neither I nor any friend close to me called L&I on cafe fulya. In fact, I can't think of one thread on phillyblog that ever caused me to call any gov. agency against anyone. If you know my major gripe on here it is generally neighbors' ignorance towards businesses. I merely stated my opinion that the law is the law, and allowing one to slide while condemning another is unfair for all businesses concerned.
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