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Old 04-28-2008, 05:17 PM
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Exactly my point.

I'm not a fan of casinos.
Not a fan of corruption.

Most importantly, I'm not a fan of

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I don't mind people advocating for one or the other of any number of positions on any number of issues, what I hate is folks who just spew out things they heard, read on wikipedia, thought someone they knew once said, use statistics, or claim to have all the answers to complicated socio-economic issues based on 'SCIENCE.'

Folks do your fact checking ...

Say you don't like casinos cause Dad left you in the car in Vegas in 100 degree heat for 18 hours when he was on run on the tables, but don't claim Armageddon.
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Old 04-28-2008, 06:05 PM
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You got me. In my haste to respond to you mature and intellectual posts I got my anti-casino economist mixed up. I meant Paul Samuelson.
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Old 04-28-2008, 06:22 PM
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Now you are an outright liar. You were previously quoting Grinols' work-not Samuelson.

Google is not helping you much.
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You got me. In my haste to respond to you mature and intellectual posts I got my anti-casino economist mixed up. I meant Paul Samuelson.
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Old 04-28-2008, 07:35 PM
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No, the stats are Grinols' (who is nonetheless a respected and accomplished economist) and are correctly attributed to him. The reference to the Nobel Prize was incorrect. I was thinking of Samuelson.

Bottom line we are getting nowhere on this forum.

Therefore, I challenge you to a public debate on the casino issue. That is of course if you have the courage to do so.

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Old 04-28-2008, 07:49 PM
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Wally, you are completely out of gas.

First you claim that casinos will cause "the inevitable death of our neighborhood". And you call me immature? You live in the italian market area-I can assure you that the casinos will affect you about as much as the weekend crowd at Tony Lukes.

Secondly, you claim "world class cities" don't have casinos, when you don't know what a world class city is, or the fact that most of them do have casinos. Instead, you seemingly admit to relying on other politicians for your information, as you state:

"apparently Sal Masi Speaker of the House in Massachusetts, is clueless as well because he said essentially the same thing during a debate on legalizing gambling in that State".

His name is Sal DiMasi, and you ARE clueless if you can't do enough research to find that most world class cities DO have gambling.

3rd-Once again, you bring up something you know nothing about. You cite Vanguard's "office in the burbs" because "2,000 people will work there". Its actually 6,000 jobs. And where are they going? Chester County, where there is already a casino. The casino obviously didn't cause the "inevitable death" to that neighborhood, since they are getting thousands more jobs. Instead, Vanguard decided to invest $500 million into Chester-near an awful casino.

You really like cooking your own goose, don't you. How did you get through law school providing fuel against your own arguments?

As for maturity-no one decried the kid's age when he said "The king wears no robes", for there is no debating fact. You sir, fail to properly research facts, and have obviously relied on google and inaccurate attempts at quick-whit; very poor qualities for a wish-to-be politician. If you lose your sense of decorum this fast, I cannot think of anyone who would want your inaccuracies and ill-temper to represent Philadelphians.

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Old 04-28-2008, 07:52 PM
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Dear Mr. Dumass,
Obviously you can't read. I am against casinos-just as I am against b.s. and made up arguments.

And I'm not running for office, so why should I debate you. You, instead, should fess up that you are constantly googling others' words, and you have never researched economists other than to reuse spoonfed dribble garnered by others.
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No, the stats are Grinols' (who is nonetheless a respected and accomplished economist) and are correctly attributed to him. The reference to the Nobel Prize was incorrect. I was thinking of Samuelson.

Bottom line we are getting nowhere on this forum.

Therefore, I challenge you to a public debate on the casino issue. That is of course if you have the courage to do so.

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Old 04-28-2008, 08:21 PM
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I will take that as a "No" you lack the courage to debate me in public and will resort to name calling while hiding behind your screen name.
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Old 04-28-2008, 08:33 PM
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I will take that as a "No" you lack the courage to debate me in public and will resort to name calling while hiding behind your screen name.
This is a PUBLIC forum-and you are not doing well.

Once again(besides all of your other missteps today):
First you claim that casinos will cause "the inevitable death of our neighborhood". And you call me immature? You live in the italian market area-I can assure you that the casinos will affect you about as much as the weekend crowd at Tony Lukes.

Secondly, you claim "world class cities" don't have casinos, when you don't know what a world class city is, or the fact that most of them do have casinos. Instead, you seemingly admit to relying on other politicians for your information, as you state:

"apparently Sal Masi Speaker of the House in Massachusetts, is clueless as well because he said essentially the same thing during a debate on legalizing gambling in that State".

His name is Sal DiMasi, and you ARE clueless if you can't do enough research to find that most world class cities DO have gambling.

3rd-Once again, you bring up something you know nothing about. You cite Vanguard's "office in the burbs" because "2,000 people will work there". Its actually 6,000 jobs. And where are they going? Chester County, where there is already a casino. The casino obviously didn't cause the "inevitable death" to that neighborhood, since they are getting thousands more jobs. Instead, Vanguard decided to invest $500 million into Chester-near an awful casino.

You really like cooking your own goose, don't you. How did you get through law school providing fuel against your own arguments?

As for maturity-no one decried the kid's age when he said "The king wears no robes", for there is no debating fact. You sir, fail to properly research facts, and have obviously relied on google and inaccurate attempts at quick-whit; very poor qualities for a wish-to-be politician. If you lose your sense of decorum this fast, I cannot think of anyone who would want your inaccuracies and ill-temper to represent Philadelphians.
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Alesis, one minor correction. There are no casinos in Chester County. Rather there is a casino (Harrah's) in the city of Chester which is in Delaware County.
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Old 04-29-2008, 12:16 PM
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Alesis, one minor correction. There are no casinos in Chester County. Rather there is a casino (Harrah's) in the city of Chester which is in Delaware County.
Thanks, Swinefeld.

That's not a minor mistake-its a major one on my end...yet this yahoo, mr. politico, can't even snatch that opportunity.

Not a politician, not even a classmate of debate101. Wally has proved himself to be nothing more than a cockroach in italian market who is unworthy of a single vote.
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