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alesis · #11 (**permalink**) 04-28-2008, 02:54 PM

Corrupt politicians? You sound like one the way you are evading something everytime you are wrong?

2.4% of gamblers are compulsive gamblers? 50% of eaters are compulsive eaters! Better not allow anymore grocery stores.

They account for 1/3 of all receipts? Shopaholics account for 40% of QVC's "receipts". Better get rid of them, too.

25,000 compulsive gamblers will not be created. Some will, while others will merely stay in philly instead of going elsewhere. At anyrate, the amount of people is greatly skewed by loosely based statistics including those who may have bipolar disorder with gambling tendencies-which, if you had any clinical rather than b.s. experience, would know that there's a big difference between cause and effect.

Suicide, embezzlement, and everything else increases? No kidding. With an influx of 40-50k people a day, all stats will increase. Do you know the most inclined to kill themselves where there's no gambling? Intoxicated early-mid 20's males. Guess we should outlaw coors light as well.

Learn about the issues and statistics you are spewing if you even wish to pretend to be a politician, wall-e.

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Originally Posted by Wally2008

Here are some stats from my "due diligence," which I presented to the CCRA two weeks ago.

1. 2.4% of all gamblers are compulsive gamblers.
2. Compulsive gamblers account for 1/3 of all receipts.
3. 25,000 new compulsive gamblers will be created if casinos come to Philadelphia.
4. Stats show that suicide, embezzlement, and bankruptcy increase in cities where gambling is introduced.

So I am not really being a drama queen, but rather a realist. As for world class cities and casinos, apparently Sal Masi Speaker of the House in Massachusetts, is clueless as well because he said essentially the same thing during a debate on legalizing gambling in that State.

Moreover, vision is not casinos. Visions is having the guts to give incentives to business to develop waterfront in a positive manner. Casinos are a copout. Harrisburg just gave Vanguard incentives to build a new office in the 'burbs. 2,000 people will work there. Not to mention the feeder business that will spring up to serve them. So what would you rather have Vanguard or a slots pallor?

As for development, when you have a casino the only thing that goes next to it is another casino. So there is your vision.

Finally, casinos represent corrupt politics. The entire passage of the gambling bill reeks and I am offended that the our elected officials are getting away with it. Ditto for the "selection" of the sites. A vote for casinos is a vote by the citizens for politicians to shove it down our throats.

Wally2008 · #12 (**permalink**) 04-28-2008, 03:02 PM

Its obvious you made up your mind who to vote for so I am not going to spend to much time responding to each one of your comments. Its also obvious that your a very mature by making fun of my name. But, its an issue that is very important to me so i am going to continue to advocate for it.

These are not stats that I made up. I am not that smart. They come from Earl Grinols, a Noble prize winning economist. The rise in embezzlement, bankruptcy, and suicide is from current residents and is independent of the 50,000 gamblers that will visit the casinos.

Wally2008 · #13 (**permalink**) 04-28-2008, 03:04 PM

I apologize in advance if I wrong, but I will go out on a limb and assume you have not won a Noble prize in economics nor authored studies on the economic and social aspects of legalized gambling.

alesis · #14 (**permalink**) 04-28-2008, 03:10 PM

An economist doesn't know anything about psychological dispositions, and certainly cannot apply microeconomics with macroeconomics so freely and yet expect these numbers to be anything other than psychobabble for "no that smart" quasi-politicians.

And you better learn how to respond to each comment, otherwise you will have your ass handed to you if any other candidate wishes to ever take you seriously by 2036.

And I was not making fun of your name, but your equivalence to childhood ignorance. You are the one who claimed that casinos weren't in world class cities when you don't even know what a world class city is...yet you still wish to ignore your mistake. Like a true crooked politician.

And no, I haven't made my mind up about any candidate yet-but I'm surely considering you as a write-in for the b.s. award.

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Originally Posted by Wally2008

Its obvious you made up your mind who to vote for so I am not going to spend to much time responding to each one of your comments. Its also obvious that your a very mature by making fun of my name. But, its an issue that is very important to me so i am going to continue to advocate for it.

These are not stats that I made up. I am not that smart. They come from Earl Grinols, a Noble prize winning economist. The rise in embezzlement, bankruptcy, and suicide is from current residents and is independent of the 50,000 gamblers that will visit the casinos.

Wally2008 · #15 (**permalink**) 04-28-2008, 03:25 PM

Thank you, I look forward to your write in vote.

alesis · #16 (**permalink**) 04-28-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Wally2008

I apologize in advance if I wrong, but I will go out on a limb and assume you have not won a Noble prize in economics nor authored studies on the economic and social aspects of legalized gambling.

pssst....hey, wally-come here.

Alright Wall-E. If you wish to start playing the douchécard, I'd rather rely on a Harvard economist over a Baylor economist anyday(of course since YOU have no economics experience you have no idea what that means).

But let's get back to you genius. If you can show me where Earl Grinols has won a Nobel Prize, I'll give 10k to your campaign. HE NEVER WON A NOBEL PRIZE!!! THIS IS YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF CUT AND PASTE casiNO protestors who failed to realize that his associate, not him, won a nobel prize for other studies. You are a dope.

And what did Phineas Baxandall, Harvard econ., say about casinos?
For over a decade, advocates of casinos in the Commonwealth have argued about whether legalized gambling would produce prosperity or ruin. Our analysis - which compares the experience of counties in the United States that house casinos with those that do not - suggests that both sides are wrong.

Instead, the introduction of a casino does appear to produce a few modestly positive effects, a few negative impacts, and in several areas, no statistically significant effect at all.

alesis · #17 (**permalink**) 04-28-2008, 03:35 PM

Hey wally, I'm waiting to write that check....

Towelie · #18 (**permalink**) 04-28-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wally2008

Here are some stats from my "due diligence," which I presented to the CCRA two weeks ago.

1. 2.4% of all gamblers are compulsive gamblers.
2. Compulsive gamblers account for 1/3 of all receipts.
3. 25,000 new compulsive gamblers will be created if casinos come to Philadelphia.
4. Stats show that suicide, embezzlement, and bankruptcy increase in cities where gambling is introduced.

So I am not really being a drama queen, but rather a realist. As for world class cities and casinos, apparently Sal Masi Speaker of the House in Massachusetts, is clueless as well because he said essentially the same thing during a debate on legalizing gambling in that State.

Moreover, vision is not casinos. Visions is having the guts to give incentives to business to develop waterfront in a positive manner. Casinos are a copout. Harrisburg just gave Vanguard incentives to build a new office in the 'burbs. 2,000 people will work there. Not to mention the feeder business that will spring up to serve them. So what would you rather have Vanguard or a slots pallor?

As for development, when you have a casino the only thing that goes next to it is another casino. So there is your vision.

Finally, casinos represent corrupt politics. The entire passage of the gambling bill reeks and I am offended that the our elected officials are getting away with it. Ditto for the "selection" of the sites. A vote for casinos is a vote by the citizens for politicians to shove it down our throats.

I don't know Alesis,

He grasps at straws better than most politicians I know. He may actually make a good politician. Now for actually serving the people, well thats a different story.

alesis · #19 (**permalink**) 04-28-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Towelie

I don't know Alesis,

He grasps at straws better than most politicians I know. He may actually make a good politician. Now for actually serving the people, well thats a different story.

He's not a politician...I just offered him 10k for his campaign if he can satisfy one little request, which is merely backing up his own statements...can't even come runnin' for money from me like the rest of them.

Politician? No. Pixar movie due in spring 2008? Maybe.

CapnMarko · #20 (**permalink**) 04-28-2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by alesis

But let's get back to you genius. If you can show me where Earl Grinols has won a Nobel Prize, I'll give 10k to your campaign. HE NEVER WON A NOBEL PRIZE!!! THIS IS YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF CUT AND PASTE casiNO protestors who failed to realize that his associate, not him, won a nobel prize for other studies. You are a dope.

Game ... set .... match

I don't mind people advocating for one or the other of any number of positions on any number of issues, what I hate is folks who just spew out things they heard, read on wikipedia, thought someone they knew once said, use statistics, or claim to have all the answers to complicated socio-economic issues based on 'SCIENCE.'

Folks do your fact checking ...

Say you don't like casinos cause Dad left you in the car in Vegas in 100 degree heat for 18 hours when he was on run on the tables, but don't claim Armageddon.