Well, I must have been the guy behind you, because everytime I opened my mouth, the answer they had made no sense. Including dont worry, that not how we intend to interpret these laws.

Thankfully it rained all weekend, because if not, this bullshit would have been the sole cause of ruining my entire weekend getaway.

Im so spun by this that maybe Im actually the crazy lady with the Bible. She actually made about as much sense as Cole/DiCicco & friends.

Seriously though, this is going to happen and it is going to happen on the 11th, they made that abundantly clear.
It seems to me that the only way to do anything about it is to make sure that the legislation is cleaned up to protect our current homes. Write letters to QVNA & DiCicco and let them know that the alterations part needs to be cleared up.
No gray areas, no open to interpretation.

Also, make sure in your letters, they are aware that they are elected officials and that their re-election depends on votes.
The politicians responsible for this should be made to pay at election time.

No.

We can stop this. There will be no compromise. They have lied through there teeth, and that powerpoint presentation magically changes everytime I see it in an attempt to appease the audience that views it. They are liars in deeds and disingenuous in their motives.

There is something that can be done...I'm working on it and as soon as I get everything together I'll PM you.

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Peter Cetera:
Sometimes I just forget
Say things I might regret
It breaks my heart to see you crying

So Ive been doing some thinking and have come to believe that this thing is probably about money.

Several people here seem to have some knowledge of the NID/NCD.

Is there funding attached to that?

Im not sure if everybody here is aware, but QVNA lost is funding a few years back, just about the time they started working on this.

Seeing the ferociousness with which they have attacked this thing, and the haphazard way they threw it together,
I was convinced there had to be something driving it...
other than ofcourse to make sure the board members all like their neighbors homes.

Seriously though, if they really were out to protect the neighborhood, then this draft would actually contain things that did protect the neighborhood. Most of their stated goals arent even addressed in this proposal. If they had spent 2 years focused on protecting the neighborhood, they would have had to come up with a better plan. BUT if they spent two years trying to put together a plan to secure a new source of funding, than maybe the details of protecting the neighborhood could have gone underpolished.

Does this hold any water, does anybody have enough knowledge of the NID/NCD to know how/if money is involved?

It would seem that a NID would be at heart, a way to get funds to improve a neighborhood. It would seem the an NCD would not necessarily need funds because by definition the neighborhood is already pretty well off and in need of conservation. Now Im wondering why all the sudden this NCD that we have heard so little about,is now actually in essence an NID.

Im confused. Sorry if my confusion is a product of my lack of knowledge of the subject, but that is why I am asking.

Ding ding. Winner.
There can and will be money attached to it. Operating grants, accordance grants, etc. is definitely on their minds to once again attain their glory when they were receiving NAC funding.

I'm tired of these people trying to regulate aesthetics. If they even did an honest review of this area they'd know that "the fabric and vibrancy" of this area is a majority of their unwanted variety, while crappy pseudo-colonials are the minority.
They could ask for assessments against properties, but they will never be able to get it. They will instead constantly ask for operating and grant money from the local and state government.

This whole thing is coming about by two-yes two people, who wish to spread their sense of aesthetic morality to every household whether they like it or not. As with anything else, just because someone is an architect is doesn't make them a good one-and I think Richard Cole and his whiney sidekick are far from an ideal candidate to dictate fashion and propriety when I choose to renovate my home.

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Peter Cetera:
Sometimes I just forget
Say things I might regret
It breaks my heart to see you crying

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Ding ding. Winner.
There can and will be money attached to it. Operating grants, accordance grants, etc. is definitely on their minds to once again attain their glory when they were receiving NAC funding.
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OK, if that is true, then maybe there is a reason attached to that source of funding that would be causing them to rush this right now.

It seems that at the very least, everybody involved would have to agree that there has been a lack of information disseminated, and that became apparent on Thursday, if it hadnt been before that.

Even though it became clear that there was an information gap, and a short time to fix it, there was zero interest in pushing back the vote.

Why would delaying the vote be so vehemently opposed,
unless they were trying to meet a deadline for application or something along those lines.

Also, did anybody look inside the bag that DiCicco brought to the meeting? I meant to and forgot. It apparently contained all the undelivered letters from city council. It was a christmas sized shopping bag. Thats alot of letters. No wonder nobody got them. There is no way that many letters could have been misaddressed by mistake.

Well, what generous benevolence. If the law doesn't say what they intended, then they wrote a poorly drafted law without even performing minimal thinking about the consequences (who wrote that piece of crap anyway?) and now say it's all OK 'cause we're all friends, right?

The should either have the integrity to say they intended what they wrote, or have the integrity to redraft it (by someone who has at least a slight clue as to what they're doing) so it says what they intended.

My respect for the board has sunk to new lows. If they bother me about my house, having not received any written notice of this law as represented by the board (the only reason I have an idea of what it says is from this blog), I will sue those responsible for the fraud they have perpetrated by saying they did.

This has become ridiculous. Is there anything in philly at all that doesn't become completely corrupt? Even a little neighborhood group can't keep its **** together.

Anyone else not get the notice?

And PS: If anyone still thinks DiCicco hasn't been encrusted into office for far too long, pay attention. Frank's a nice guy but I'm beginning to understand that this city could turn St. Peter into just another corrupt politician.

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I'm not so sure about this, and it is one of the reason I'm so against it (beside the fact that I just don't like the regulations). A NID, once established, can levy assessments. And once an NID is established, and there's a managing board, the voice of individual property owners is greatly reduced.

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Well, here's a hint.

Who is the president of QVNA? Jeff Rush, right hand man to Fumo. Fumo's leaving office very soon(and rumor is that Dicicco may may not be seeking another term either), so if any group wants state money they've got to work incredibly fast because no one can get money like Fumo can. When Fumo leaves office, the money is turning off like a light switch.

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Peter Cetera:
Sometimes I just forget
Say things I might regret
It breaks my heart to see you crying

I did. As I mentioned upthread, there were at least 200 returned letters in there. If they sent out 2000, as they said, that's a 10%+ return rate -- completely unacceptable.

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You know, I almost feel sorry for DiCicco (I know that sounds ridiculous), but he keeps on getting blindsided by QVNA, and that's really not his fault. Anyone who attended the "one way Christian Street" meeting saw his doe-in-the-headlights look -- I think he honestly believed that the idea had the backing of the majority of residents. And while he pushed back more on this one, I again think he was blind-sided by the fact that there was real opposition.

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