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JillyS · #61 (**permalink**) 11-30-2007, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DeeBee

The owner is positive that they had Edna. They called him from a phone number that was directly on her dog tags, but not listed on the flyers in the neighborhood. There is no way they would have had that number is they didn't have the dog.

I'm sick over this story and all the scum involved. I don't care if they're "kids." The dog's life had more meaning than their's. Unfortunately, nothing is going to happen to them if they even get caught.

According to the SPR, the first call (from the "kids" in which the owner heard a dog being tortured) was to the number listed on the flyer and the second call (from a man saying he killed the dog) was to the number on the tags. It sounds like at this time there's no way to know if the two calls were linked. Not that it really matters.

This is all pretty crazy...I didn't know about the internet scam (the dog is in another country--wire funds to get her back).

ScorpioRose · #62 (**permalink**) 11-30-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nipseyrussell

i agree, it was the uppity Negroes

anytime you start by saying " i dont want to sound racist, but..." you should probably keep your mouth shut, because there is a 99% chance you are about to say something stupid.

Although I guess I should have low expectations from anyone who thinks that the earth is 10,000 years old

I stand by what I said...I have personal reasons to know that many in the ghetto think exactly like that.

As for believing the earth is 10,000 years old, you are wrong. Did you just pull that number out of your hat, or what?

I don't bash you for thinking humans came from apes, so why bash me for not believing the earth is millions of years old?

And is this thread REALLY the place for a discussion on that anyway?

Lat12 · #63 (**permalink**) 11-30-2007, 05:34 PM

I agree - I felt almost better after I read the SPR article. I know my dog has taken off his collar - if he's all rowdy, it's become loose and fallen off. A dog running around on the streets could have also lost his collar or someone could have grabbed him and the collar could have come loose in their hands while the dog gets away. I know, I'm reaching for answers and hypothesizing, but the more I thought about it - the foolios calling probably wouldn't risk meeting up a guy to get money and get caught anyway, so the more I heard about hoaxes and all the weird calls, I'm thinking, y'know, they could also have the collar and not Edna and are just torturing their own dog. Of course - that's terrible, but y'know, it's also pretty hard to catch a dog on the run. Having dogs my whole life - if a dog doesn't want to be caught, he'll evade you pretty easily. Try clipping my dog's toenails. You'll NEVER catch him. Especially with all of the Edna sightings around P-Square. Two kids chasing a dog down the street....they'd have to be pretty smart to go through the efforts of grabbing her and from the story, I think they're in the negative IQ range. I really hope she does show up.
This is also an EXCELLENT reason why you shouldn't tie your dog to a pole when you go into a store or let your cats roam free.

nipseyrussell · #64 (**permalink**) 11-30-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ScorpioRose

As for believing the earth is 10,000 years old, you are wrong. Did you just pull that number out of your hat, or what?

huh, no i pulled it out of your hat - more specifically your overly long signature line (any chance of whittling that down to 2 lines so your posts dont take up much space? in all our browsers) - the website you want us all to read says: "the age of the earth.... appears to be decidedly less than 10,000 years."

I only bashed you here because your home school reference had me worried, hope your not teaching kids that crap, its child abuse!!

Eddy333 · #65 (**permalink**) 11-30-2007, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ScorpioRose

Let's just say that we're talking about a couple of kids from the ghetto, most likely very poor and "disadvantaged" (whether by their own doing or not, I cannot say).

And we have a dog owned by a probably well-to-do white person (at least the ghetto kids would assume he is well-to-do since he offered so much as a reward...one reason I advocate NOT giving an exact dollar amount on the fliers...it opens you to extortion).

There is a lot of deep resentment in the ghetto toward white people, esp. those with money or who seem to have money. There is also a lot of disdain for white people who are seen as being willing to put forth so much money to save an animal, when daily in the ghetto, humans die and are maimed and no one seems to care.

I'm not saying I agree with the attitude many in the ghetto have, just pointing out that these vermin MAY have sought to vent their anger on the poor, innocent dog...which could explain why they seemed to WANT to hurt the dog, even though it meant not getting the reward.

I would not be surprised if you were to go into the ghetto and interview residents about this incident. What might they say?

"Isn't that just like rich white people...gettin' all worked up over a dog when here, cops kill us every day and nobody gives a damn".

You're general point about prevailing attitudes among some in the black community about inequality in income, education, SOL, etc. is a valid one, and I might even be willing to accept a hypothetical situation where two particularly damaged and cruel kids would do this in part out of anger, but consistently referencing "the ghetto" as if it were some kind of walled off area behind barbed wire makes me wince.

This is a very mixed city. As others have said, we have no idea if those kids were black white, Puerto Rican, Cambodian, or what. I know white kids who sound more black than most black kids. Since no one knows who the callers are, it's possible they don't necessarily live in "THE GHETTO"

P.S. How does a kid get "disadvantaged" by their own doing? What, they didn't contribute enough into their 401K?

P.P.S. And yes, I did start to here Elvis singing as I was reading it. I guess I didn't hear Nick Cave's version because Elvis' is much campier. Not because of the performance, mind you, but mostly because Elvis was wearing diapers at that point.

fuzzycraig · #66 (**permalink**) 11-30-2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JillyS

This is all pretty crazy...I didn't know about the internet scam (the dog is in another country--wire funds to get her back).

I had a similar internet scam situation once. There was a time when I thought I had to give my dog up to a better home. (Terrible decision to have to make -- in the end, I kept the pooch and am glad I did.) I posted his pic and info on a site for dog adoption. The only response I got was from a "famous" vet in South Africa.
He had a "buyer" for my dog. The proposed transaction involved, I'm not exaggerating, no less than seven wire transfers and five continents. I replied that this seemed like a very reasonable plan, but I didn't understand why a wealthy African would want to send for my dog, who was originally a stray, since there were so many strays already in Africa he could choose from. I never heard back.

In response to the bit about the tags and the number on the tags. Just because somebody had the tags, does not mean they had the dog, or forgive me for saying this, had the dog alive. There are a million scenarios here, and only one of them -- perhaps the most likely -- is that the kids in question really had edna, tortured her, and killed her.

My point is, as tragic as this story is, we know very little about what happened here. We know a dog was lost and we know the owner got some cruel and awful phone calls from people who had one or both of his phone numbers. Beyond that, we really don't know much. Certainly, we don't know enough to threaten vigilante justice or to condemn an entire race or age-group.

Whatever the truth, my heart goes out to Bill. And there's not a moment when I'm walking through the neighborhood that I don't hope to see Edna walking around the corner.

ScorpioRose · #67 (**permalink**) 11-30-2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Eddy333

You're general point about prevailing attitudes among some in the black community about inequality in income, education, SOL, etc. is a valid one, and I might even be willing to accept a hypothetical situation were two particularly damaged and cruel kids would do this in part out of anger, but consistently referencing "the ghetto" as if it were some kind of walled off area behind barbed wire makes me wince.

This is a very mixed city. As others have said, we have no idea if those kids were black white, Puerto Rican, Cambodian, or what. I know white kids who sound more black than most black kids. Since no one knows who the callers are, it's possible they don't necessarily live in "THE GHETTO"

P.S. How does a kid get "disadvantaged" by their own doing? What, they didn't contribute enough into their 401K?

P.P.S. And yes, I did start to here Elvis singing as I was reading it. I guess I didn't hear Nick Cave's version because Elvis' is much campier. Not because of the performance, mind you, but mostly because Elvis was wearing diapers at that point.

I based my assumption that the kids are from the ghetto on what the dog's owner said after he spoke to them.

He said they spoke in "ghetto slang". I also read the street they said for him to go to with the money, and I know one is in North Philly.

Either way, let's wait and see when they get caught.

ms_evelyng · #68 (**permalink**) 11-30-2007, 08:02 PM

Am going to say this with deeply humanly concern but you must seek psychological help ASAP. Whatever childhood drama you may have grown up with or your surroundings have deeply damaged your perception on a particular group of people. Seek mental help. And that is all that am going to say. The End.

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Originally Posted by ScorpioRose

I've had some time to calm down and think about this. Also, discuss it with my husband.

I will say why I think they may have done it, but it will sound racist and I know we don't like when threads get derailed like that. That's my disclaimer.

Let's just say that we're talking about a couple of kids from the ghetto, most likely very poor and "disadvantaged" (whether by their own doing or not, I cannot say).

And we have a dog owned by a probably well-to-do white person (at least the ghetto kids would assume he is well-to-do since he offered so much as a reward...one reason I advocate NOT giving an exact dollar amount on the fliers...it opens you to extortion).

There is a lot of deep resentment in the ghetto toward white people, esp. those with money or who seem to have money. There is also a lot of disdain for white people who are seen as being willing to put forth so much money to save an animal, when daily in the ghetto, humans die and are maimed and no one seems to care.

I'm not saying I agree with the attitude many in the ghetto have, just pointing out that these vermin MAY have sought to vent their anger on the poor, innocent dog...which could explain why they seemed to WANT to hurt the dog, even though it meant not getting the reward.

I would not be surprised if you were to go into the ghetto and interview residents about this incident. What might they say?

"Isn't that just like rich white people...gettin' all worked up over a dog when here, cops kill us every day and nobody gives a damn".

Remember that many said similar things in the news when Officer Cassidy was killed...."getting all worked up over a white cop being killed when our black men get killed in the ghetto all the time and nobody cares."

ms_evelyng · #69 (**permalink**) 11-30-2007, 08:13 PM

Alesis, my bestfriend works for Verizon HQ in NYC. Everytime I had to "get info" on crank calls #'s my bf got that person name AND address really quick. There's nothing to it, tel #'s are traceable. Unfortunatly they are being a**holes!!!

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Originally Posted by alesis

It takes an incident like this to show the true nature of some.

Everyone was ready to jump down big bad verizon's fault for being a dog killer. When I said it wasn't verizon's fault I was called a "contrarian". Now, only after people try to make verizon look bad its shown that they really had nothing to do with the delay.

The other extreme wishes to pat themselves on the back by calling themselve's "rich white people" in made up pantomime. Do you think the kid's(if they were even kids)looked at the dog and said hey, that's a caucasian canine, get 'em!!!

The victim, while in an absolute panic, recounts the callers had an "american ghetto slang". Work in retail for one summer and you'll learn that asians, vietnamese, whites, blacks, mexicans, nigerians(who do not like "rich white people" calling them african americans), cambodians, and hiphop partridges in a peartree are all capable of such sland and rhetoric.

As stated in other extreme threads-I have two black neighbors next to me who are doctors. Another who is a business owner. They own dogs. Do you think if the purported dognappers with "american ghetto slang" stole my neighbors' dog they'd say, "oh I'm sorry mr. african american, I'll give you back your dog and go kidnap a white dog"?

Some of you are as misaligned as the dog thieves.

And Nick Cave is the best lyricist in all of puppetland.

alesis · #70 (**permalink**) 11-30-2007, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ms_evelyng

Alesis, my bestfriend works for Verizon HQ in NYC. Everytime I had to "get info" on crank calls #'s my bf got that person name AND address really quick. There's nothing to it, tel #'s are traceable. Unfortunatly they are being a**holes!!!

I completely believe you, but under normal circumstances, ie-this example and my own personal experience, bureaucracy slowly runs its course.

I did get info from sprint(cell) pretty quick since I knew someone, but verizon(landline) was impossible and took a warrant and a long time just like the story described.