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Old 10-23-2007, 01:54 PM
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Oh I love what is there! Just saying we can make it more attractive to out of towners. I constantly here friends from other cities call South Street dirty and grimey. That is not the impression I want one of one of our main tourist destinations. Again, not saying to do away with the culture or the genre, just saying we can make the Street a cleaner more desirable street to walk along and visit. Perhaps once they are done construction, we can have Parking only on one side of the Street??

I'll curb the desire to correct your spelling - and instead point out that we did indeed experiment with parking options on South Street in the past ... to no avail.

South Street is a destination for tourists BECAUSE of what it is - not because of what it might be. Yes, it could be cleaner, it could be more "upscale", it could be more cookie-cutter with trees, etc .. but it is what it is ... regardless of the current wave of tenants, the fact is the street is most popular because of its history - not because of its future.

The street might have too many of one thing - or not enough of another - but sooner or later the scales will tip in another direction, just as it has done several times over the past 30 years.

Wiping away the history of South Street with an antiseptic cloth, with the hope that the new shine would attract more tourists - isn't what South Street is about. South Street isn't a tourist destination - its a neighborhood that happens to attract tourists thanks to the past and present marketing of the GPTMC, etc.

Changing my neighborhood just to cater to tourists is not something I have any interest in supporting.

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Old 10-23-2007, 01:58 PM
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Oh I love what is there! Just saying we can make it more attractive to out of towners. I constantly here friends from other cities call South Street dirty and grimey. That is not the impression I want one of one of our main tourist destinations. Again, not saying to do away with the culture or the genre, just saying we can make the Street a cleaner more desirable street to walk along and visit. Perhaps once they are done construction, we can have Parking only on one side of the Street??
I walk along South St. daily. I shop there. I eat there. I have no problems. I only want to taser the assnuggets that persist in littering.

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I'll curb the desire to correct your spelling - and instead point out that we did indeed experiment with parking options on South Street in the past ... to no avail.

South Street is a destination for tourists BECAUSE of what it is - not because of what it might be. Yes, it could be cleaner, it could be more "upscale", it could be more cookie-cutter with trees, etc .. but it is what it is ... regardless of the current wave of tenants, the fact is the street is most popular because of its history - not because of its future.

The street might have too many of one thing - or not enough of another - but sooner or later the scales will tip in another direction, just as it has done several times over the past 30 years.

Wiping away the history of South Street with an antiseptic cloth, with the hope that the new shine would attract more tourists - isn't what South Street is about. South Street isn't a tourist destination - its a neighborhood that happens to attract tourists thanks to the past and present marketing of the GPTMC, etc.

Changing my neighborhood just to cater to tourists is not something I have any interest in supporting.

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Old 10-23-2007, 02:01 PM
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No one wants to wipe away its history, just clean it up.


Cracks in Street, poor lighting, need for Greenery.

Correct my spelling if you will, this is a blog not a spelling B.


There is a reason that HHS and PENDOT are about to embark on this project that is costing millions. There is a reason that the project was approved and reapproved. It is needed.
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Old 10-23-2007, 02:42 PM
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I am I suppose a newbie and just wanted to say I live near the end of South Street, so call me biased but I tend to agree with all.

I have read many of these blogs the last several weeks after a friend turned me onto the site and have decided to finally post.

First of all it is a forgone conclusion that the Head House Square street scape from 8th to Front is going to take place. I actually bumped into Dave (head of the Head House Business District) outside of Tori's the other day and he said it was a matter of months from seeing its reality finally. It appears that they were waiting on the bidding to be final and now that it is, it is a matter of getting the T's crossed and I's dotted.

Good or bad?

Well it seems that you all love South Street, which I do to, of course I do since I chose to live here. That being said, I believe the Streetscape project is great for the looks and appearance of the street/corridor and it is not bad at all for the businesses. Yes all businesses will have to deal with a temporary ramp to their front entrance when their block is under construction. Yes a headache, but hopefully a short term one at most.

I do not believe it was anyones idea or objective to change South Street or its history. I actually lived outside of D.C. for years and would not want South Street to become like Georgetown, that said, I do enjoy walking down Wisconsin Street a bit more then venturing all the way up South Street. I enjoy the open space of Georgetown, the clean streets and the great curb appeal of its shops.

For South Street, we need not change who we are we can use this opportunity to just "clean up" a bit.


I think the streetscape will help all in the long term, I think we should just be patient with the whole project.

I am sure I will have comments once again, but this is directed at everyone. This is supposed to be a blog, I have posted to many other blogs though not on this site. I have never seen such bantering in a non sports blog. Front and Bainbridg whoever you are, we are essentially neighbors and I agree with most of what you have said. The Queen, I agree with you as well. You two should realize you both want the same thing, you are just saying it in different ways.
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alesis is going to plotz, being referred to as a queen this many times in a thread. FTR, alesis is a he, not a she. And not a queen.

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I dont know anyone, I am new. I just saw a few people say "Queen" so I figured that was a nickname.

In all do respect, she/he seems to know the area and what he/she is talking about. Funny picture though too.
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Old 10-23-2007, 03:07 PM
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LOL!

alesis is going to plotz, being referred to as a queen this many times in a thread. FTR, alesis is a he, not a she. And not a queen.

Beware, and don't say I didn't warn you.


I will consider myself warned. If its a he, then well call him the King. He or She I am sure knows I am joking around, it is just the bossy tone of her voice. There are other opinions out there that's all. It is all in good fun.

What is a DBSCU? Thanks for your feedback though, and yep we are neighboors! Glad we share the same beliefs.
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Old 10-23-2007, 03:14 PM
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Well excuse me Ms. Queen Alesis, mam goddess herself.
Sorry, my wife's not a lesbian-not that there's anything wrong with that...
I can tell that you are proud of yourself for the comment since you felt the need to post it three times.

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Seriously what made you pope of South Street, or Philadelphia for that matter.
You did when you couldn't use the search function on this "blog", nor an unheard of website called google...it seems like I was the only person who could provide you with factual answers instead of your own made up assumptions. Yet even when I did provide you with answers, you made such flippant remarks as "if its started in february it will be done by tourist season" and "the businesses have been warned plenty".

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Remember this is a blog with different ideas, opinions and rationale. You have the complete right to disagree with not only myself but with everyone else here.
While people like you and gladys spout assumptions that others may misconstrue as fact, you consistently ignore experience and facts based upon 15 years of experience in the residential, retail, and civic sectors of this city. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and when people like you spread ignorance as fact it transcends from "ideas and opinion" to ill-intended propoganda to promulgate ones own desires.
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As you already know about me, I will admit when you make a good point and perhaps correct my feelings. ie- I really mis spoke when I mentioned G-Town. I was merely comparing the two not saying that South Street should become G-Town.
Yeah, and that was only a snippet of your self-contradicting melarchy tossed about in this thread.
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I too enjoy the mixture of cultures and variety of shops that are on South Street. By no means am I saying we should do away with Record shops, thrift shops, Tattoo parlors or any of the great sandwich shops. I am basically saying, that we can CLEAN it up a bit, make it more attractive in order to really capitalize on the tourists that we are lacking.
Here you go with the psychobabble again-how many stores do you formerly or currently own on south street? Yet you know what my customer base is? A neighbor's perception is nothing more than what they wish to see in order to necessitate their agenda.
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Using Facts- Philadelphia is one of the least traveled major city in the Country. -Travel and Leisure Magazine.
Using Facts-I enjoy to sing karaoke with my labradoodle, and guess what? That would probably get three more tourists than a new sidewalk. As SouthStMan stated-people come to south street for what it is, not what its going to be. As previously stated-and previously ignored by one-sided people like you and gladys-I do support the reconstruction of the streets, but it has nothing to do with tourism, and it certainly won't be any easier on business by having ignorant sideline quarterbacks like yourself so glibly stating that everything will be ok. Employers will have to lay people off, businesses will be lost-buy hey, who cares, its not your dollar.
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We spend very little when compared to NY, AC, DC, LA, Chicago, etc... on marketing our city.
Here's more bullsh*t assumptions instead of actually researching before you speak.
Chicago spends 14.6mil. Guess what our tourism budget is-14 million. We spend more per capita than Chicago. We spend more than the entire state of PA, and our campaigns are some of the most successful in the country-for every dollar we spent, we produced:
$185 in direct and indirect spending for every dollar of advertising
$41 in wages
$13 in state and local taxes

This is my problem with you and so many other neighbors. You talk out of your arse rather than researching. You claim I'm taking you out of context while you misinform people by stating assumptions as fact.

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One of the highlights of a tourist is there visit to South Street, I believe that we can make this visit more desirable, that is all.
Are you that quirky Ben Franklin impersonator? Sorry, that's the only person I can think of that is so yearning for tourists yet has no clue about our actual tourism industry.

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A new Street, with new curbs, new Trees and landscaping as well as new Lighting would do a tremendous job to lift the economy of South Street and I have no doubt that if you disagree with this you are the one missing facts. Of course a minor inconvenience for this year, but in the long run a MUCH NEEDED FACE LIFT.
Here again-you didn't even bother to read, and you don't even know why the streetscape project is even happening. Its not about tourism. But you obviously don't understand anything.
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There is a reason that HHS and PENDOT are about to embark on this project that is costing millions. There is a reason that the project was approved and reapproved. It is needed.
More assumptions...do you ever read? Penndot gave the grant to make crossroads safer for children going to and from school...how many kids do you see crossing south street everyday to attend school?

Oh, and the main part of the grant is for lighting and electrical infrastructure-not "cracked sidewalks". The sidewalks need redone because of the underlayment of conduit from the lights and the big brother cameras that are going up
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Hey All-
I am your neighbor as well. You seem intelligent-you have just raised the positive neighbor ratio from 0 to 50%. go iggles.

Oh, and welcome to phillyblog.
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