You forgot where I mocked your assumption that it was druggies breaking into cars.

Please spare the ever-typical "out of context" routine. You wrote a handful of disjointed accounts within a few sentences, which gives the inability to take anything out of context, and merely displays your over-generalized assertion that anything from quality of life crimes to homicide can occur anywhere from harlem to the hamptons irregardless of where the projects are located.

While you wished to use the society hill deaths to generically prove your point, the simple fact is that those incidents were by law enforcement doing their jobs while deaths around the projects were murders, and of a far different nature-but I guess that's just more speculation, huh?

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If you think that the impoverished, underemployed, and state dependent residents of QV's housing projects do not disproportionately commit more crime and deteriorate quality of life in the neighborhood vs. the other residents, you are simply blind to reality.

Walk down Catharine Street between 2nd and 3rd, and you will see tree lined streets, with residents caring for their homes and apartments. Walk down Christian between 3rd and 5th, and you will see more litter in the streets, homeless sleeping on the ground, and nuissance restaurants and stores catering to unsupervised children at all hours of the night.

QV is generally a very nice, and well appointed neighborhood. The presence of the housing projects in it harms the surrounding blocks by providing a constant supply of drug traffic, unemployed and loitering men and women, and unwatched children, who otherwise would never be able to afford to live there.

Like it or not, we live in a world where the more money you have, the more you should expect from your living conditions and safety. The projects in QV disrupt that by creating conditions that foster the criminal element in very close proximity to the exact victim base the criminals want to exploit the most. It's like forcing chickens to live in a coop with a fox.

Being poor doesn't make one a criminal, but higher crime and violence against the more affluent is certainly a byproduct of unnaturally positioning people from opposite ends of the socio-economic spectrum together.

Apparently I have encroached on your territory by providing a handful of disjointed accounts. JoePSU originally posted about car break-ins, not murders, and assumed they were committed by people in the nearby housing projects, which they may or may not have been.

My point was that a variety of crimes, from quality-of-life ones like car break-ins and vandalism to life-threatening ones, occur even in very nice neighborhoods farther from the projects. I mentioned the killings by the cops and security guard to point out that you don't have to live near a housing project to have troublesome activity in the neighborhood --apparently people were causing problems that led to those shootings, although I don't know the circumstances -- not to suggest that the fatal shootings themselves were random or murders.

And to JoePSU, I was trying to say that poverty, the tension between the haves and havenotes, and crime extend far beyond one housing project. I am not oblivious to the fact that housing projects can be focal points of crime and other unpleasant activity. It's why I didn't buy a house closer to one, and I, too, realize that the housing project in QV can be a problem for the neighborhood, even beyond the immediate vicinity.

Bingo. Predators and prey living in close proximity.

The more clueless the prey to the reality of the city, the more enticing they all become.

Did any of you not know that you were moving next door to projects?

Can't the city just move all the poor people to one neighborhood already?

Oh I know I moved there, my point is that the projects don't have to be that way. The city is derelict in its obligation to kick people out, and should be listening to the voice of the neighbors of the PHA who are true tax payers when we say that we want it cleaned up.

amen, my nittany brother!

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Jeez, Alesis, this is like the 9th time you've referenced the boxing glove kids since I've been posting to this board, (which hasn't been very long) You need to get away on vacation or try therapy or something. Those boxing glove kids are ruining your life!

The 5th St. Ballaz were also kids. Most of the kids in the group that were found in possession of said boxing gloves were "members" of the ballaz. I use quotation marks because they were not so much a gang as a bunch of poorly raised, bored kids with absolutely no supervision or respect for anyone. A loosley organized gang of kids, yes, but not exactly approaching MS-13 territory. Their "colors" were purchased at the old embroidery shop at 6th and Bainbridge. Look out Bloods! the ballaz are coming for you!!

The cops sent the two oldest and worst trouble makers to juvie and the Ballaz disintegrated.

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LOL!! That's a good one!...you are joking, right?

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