PhillyBlog - Philadelphia  

Go Back   PhillyBlog - Philadelphia > Where We Are > Queen Village / Bella Vista / Hawthorne
Blogs Map Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read
Google
 
Web www.phillyblog.com

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 01-23-2006, 06:56 PM
ardiglione ardiglione is offline
Pretzel Vendor
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 17
Arrow Noise regulation for the Bella Vista area?

I was wondering if there is a specific noise ordinance for the Bella Vista area?

There is a restaurant that runs its kitchen vent 24 hours per day, often 7 days a week (the place is open only 5 days a week). No other restaurant in the area has a vent quite so noisy and certainly hasn't noticeably run it constantly. Despite asking the owner if he could turn the vents off when the restaurant is not open, or at least at night, the noise continues all night and all day. We live very close and the noise and vibration comes through our windows.

Are there any rules or regulation for restaurants and their vents in terms of noise and hours of operation?

Last edited by ardiglione : 01-24-2006 at 11:09 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 01-23-2006, 07:32 PM
PhillyKev PhillyKev is offline
Water Ice Vendor
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 857
Default

Is it a new restaurant?
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 01-23-2006, 08:05 PM
ardiglione ardiglione is offline
Pretzel Vendor
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 17
Default

No, is not a new restaurant.
Reply With Quote

Advertisement

   
     
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 01-24-2006, 11:06 AM
cline's Avatar
cline cline is offline
Water Ice Vendor
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 500
Default

Check with your neighbor's association. QVNA has a noise and nuisance committee for problems like that.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 01-24-2006, 07:50 PM
Designer Designer is offline
Tastykake Maker
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 138
Default restaurant fan

We had this same problem. We're located between a few restaurants. With some of the restaurants, we were able to work with them to reduce the noise. With some of the others, it was an uphill fight. The Philadelphia Department of Health has a noise department that will come out and do readings. The readings were excessive, but the better thing to do is to take the readings and work with the restaurant regarding the cleaning and maintenance of the vent.

If the restaurant has a liquor license, you can also work with the PA Liquor Control Board.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 01-24-2006, 08:18 PM
PhillyKev PhillyKev is offline
Water Ice Vendor
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 857
Default

I have to ask...are you people moving into areas with restaurants, and then complaining about them? It seems to me you should find this stuff out first instead of moving into an area and then trying to force existing residents to change.

Reminds me of a small air strip out in the styx. Every couple of years, someone new moves in and tries to shut down the airport because it's "dangerous and noisy with all those planes taking off and landing there". Meanwhile, the airport's been there for 40 years...these people knew it...moved there and then try to shut them down.
I realize this is a different situation, but how do you not find out about it before moving there?
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 01-24-2006, 08:36 PM
Designer Designer is offline
Tastykake Maker
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 138
Default No

No, the restaurants didn't when we bought all those years ago. If the hoods are maintained and installed according to Code, the noise is negligible, just a rush of air. When they are not cleaned and maintained, they can sound like 747s taking off!
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 01-25-2006, 12:13 PM
newBY newBY is offline
Pretzel Vendor
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 67
Default

Bella Vista civic association office number : 267-872-4686
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 01-27-2006, 05:44 PM
alesis's Avatar
alesis alesis is offline
Cheesesteak GURU! Wiz with
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Cantfeedumdontbreedum, PA
Posts: 8,391
Default

Neither neighbor organization knows how to deal with the problem. Everytime I call them, the response is dependent on who answers the phone.
The staff often recites their opinion, rather than the letter of the law. I think theses groups are good in theory, but the staff has to become trained before they give advice. That being said, here is the new law that just went into effect this year:
Sound violations can now be handled through the police as a ticketable offense. The South Street Police Mini Station has a sound test machine which can test offensive noises. It used to be that the Health Department had to come into your house and measure the noise from the area you hear it, but under the new entitlement police can walk up to the area of the violation and test it.
It will be a slight problem to convince the police they can do it, since it is a brand new law, brought into fruition during the last quarter of 2005. If it is of enough concern, you can call carl engleke(sp?) in fumo's office. Whether you love him or hate him, he is your representative and can help, as he is the one that told me about the new law during a civic assoc. meeting.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 01-28-2006, 10:30 AM
ardiglione ardiglione is offline
Pretzel Vendor
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 17
Default

Alesis, thanks for your explanation and information. Your answer is very helpful.

Just a quick thought; this is not a matter of moving in an area "and then trying to force existing residents to change" (the noise from the vent was not so bad and noticeable when we moved in), Designer is right, if this devices are well maintained, cleaned and installed according to Code they are no problem. This one doesn't look well maintained, is partially detached from the wall and likely needs to be repaired or fixed. Rules and laws - as well as responsibilities to keep your own neighborhood qualitatively pleasant - applies to everybody, new and old residents.

I wish the situation can be resolved in a friendly way, I don't like the idea of calling the cops or an official inspection on them and I like to keep friendly relationships with all my neighbors. That said, I haven't seen from them any sign that they're willing to deal with this matter. I only asked if they could turn the vent off when the restaurant is not open, or at least at night.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:43 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.