Tony Payton's run in with the Law.... - Page 5 - PhillyBlog

lauriex5 · #41 (**permalink**) 04-08-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bulworth67

And for the last time genuises-forgery means you write someone else's name in a legal document. YOU HAVE NO IDEA what was contained in the petitions which were withheld from the Judge. All you have is innuendo and conspiracy theories. Two of the petitions which Tony circulated were stricken for reasons other than forgery. He testified in the case, and he won in court. Stop slandering him and get out of the gutter.

Mr. Payton's signature as "the circulator" were on multiple petitions which were withdrawn by him with "dead voters" and other forged signatures. Therefore, he did not have to answer for them. You seem not to understand that he in fact signed before a notary that he collected these signatures himself and said signatures were valid. The fact is Mr. Payton lied. You can't sugar coat it. He is a "Progressive liar".

raider.adam · #42 (**permalink**) 04-08-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by laurieparrish

I can read and I know that the charges were dismissed but something had to happen for an actual arrest and these charges to be made. These are ALL FELONY CHARGES. Pretty serious stuff.

You do realize the Duke students were charged with rape and the case was dismissed because they found out the accuser was lying. They were pretty serious charges too.

People CAN be charged with something and be innocent. That is why there is a court system.

Now, I don't disagree with you that you would like to know more details, but you are obviously not going to get that information on Phillyblog, so the reason people are being confrontational is because it looks like nothing more than a smear campaign as opposed to a legitimate quest for truth and knowledge.

So, if your real concern is to find out what happened, it would seem resources would be spent better elsewhere that you can actually find the information... like calling Abraham's office or something.

BMP02 · #43 (**permalink**) 04-08-2008, 01:52 PM

Even with all that is being said about Mr. Payton, he will win the nomination easily!

IMO, I don't think he has no real competition (at least that's the perception).

It's not that the other candidates aren't capable, but they haven't done enough to convince voters on thei position and why they should win the seat.

It appears as though his supporters used more energy in trying denounce and remove Mr. Payton rather than trying to convince the public of their prospective candidate's position.

Simply put- not good politics.

GOP65 · #44 (**permalink**) 04-08-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by raider.adam

So, if your real concern is to find out what happened, it would seem resources would be spent better elsewhere that you can actually find the information... like calling Abraham's office or something.

I think that's what the majority of the posters in this thread are looking for. Were other people involved? Was he in a car/home or somewhere else where other people may have also been arrested? Not that I doubt it was him on the court docs but there's just too many unanswered questions here. Hopefully and unbiased(fat chance) source will pop up with ALL the facts surrounding this. IMO the petition thing is pretty clear cut and he just lucked out on that one.

raider.adam · #45 (**permalink**) 04-08-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GOP65

I think that's what the majority of the posters in this thread are looking for. Were other people involved? Was he in a car/home or somewhere else where other people may have also been arrested? Not that I doubt it was him on the court docs but there's just too many unanswered questions here. Hopefully and unbiased(fat chance) source will pop up with ALL the facts surrounding this. IMO the petition thing is pretty clear cut and he just lucked out on that one.

Well that is sort of my point. Everyone is supposedly looking for answers and there is very little chance that they are going to magically appear in this thread. It would just be nice if some of the people calling for blood would actually spend some effort finding out the answers.

Bulworth67 · #46 (**permalink**) 04-08-2008, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by lauriex5

Mr. Payton's signature as "the circulator" were on multiple petitions which were withdrawn by him with "dead voters" and other forged signatures. Therefore, he did not have to answer for them. You seem not to understand that he in fact signed before a notary that he collected these signatures himself and said signatures were valid. The fact is Mr. Payton lied. You can't sugar coat it. He is a "Progressive liar".

Well finally then I think you admit that it's not forgery. The forgery is committed by the person who signs the dead person's name.
The posters on this thread have incorrectly labeled Tony a forgerer. That's just wrong.

gop33rdward.com · #47 (**permalink**) 04-08-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bulworth67

The forgery is committed by the person who signs the dead person's name.

Well he swore that he went door to door to get them then signed his own name as the circulator in front of a notary. So what your saying if he as the circulator did not sign the dead peoples names he must know who did because he swore he witnessed every signature on the to petitions he submited then withdrew after it came out they were forged.

raider.adam · #48 (**permalink**) 04-08-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gop33rdward.com

Well he swore that he went door to door to get them then signed his own name as the circulator in front of a notary. So what your saying if he as the circulator did not sign the dead peoples names he must know who did because he swore he witnessed every signature on the to petitions he submited then withdrew after it came out they were forged.

So he didn't forge, he just falsely signed a notarized document.

seand · #49 (**permalink**) 04-08-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gop33rdward.com

Well he swore that he went door to door to get them then signed his own name as the circulator in front of a notary. So what your saying if he as the circulator did not sign the dead peoples names he must know who did because he swore he witnessed every signature on the to petitions he submited then withdrew after it came out they were forged.

For the umpteenth time, portia who claims to have some familiarity with the actual case law says you are wrong. Last court case said you are taking responsiblity for the signatures, not that you collected them yourself when you sign a circulator. I was corrected of this mis apprehension as well.

Check your facts.

raider.adam · #50 (**permalink**) 04-08-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by seand

For the umpteenth time, portia who claims to have some familiarity with the actual case law says you are wrong. Last court case said you are taking responsiblity for the signatures, not that you collected them yourself when you sign a circulator. I was corrected of this mis apprehension as well.

Check your facts.

Are you sure she said that? I am pretty sure, as a minimum, you have to be in the presence of them being collected if you sign off.

"Taking responsibility" was the way it used to be as far as I am told, up until 2000 or 2004.