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Old 05-15-2008, 01:00 AM
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Depending on what area of the city, I'm constantly floating between wifi, hotspots, and dedicated channels. When we're on local streets or highways I'm constantly bouncing between wifi, gps, and 3g signals.

Worst case scenario...if I attach through a non-secure network, yet working through a secure browser, can someone capture my info? I'm generally running safari or firefox.

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Generally, no.

If you are communicating via HTTPS and using SSL v3, you have enough safety to conduct electronic transactions. Anybody using a packet sniffer will not have enough computing resources to decrypt the traffic between you and the end point.

However, that's just the HTTPS session (which happens over port 443 usually, and not port 80). That doesn't mean your computer/iPhone/whatever isn't vulnerable.


There is a UNIX utility called nmap you can run against an IP address to see exactly what a computer or device has exposed to the internet.


For example.... I ran a scan on www.phillyblog.com and got this info, which is rather troubling:

eastchestnut@UNIX:~> nmap www.phillyblog.com

Starting Nmap 4.20 ( http://insecure.org ) at 2008-05-15 06:36 EDT
Interesting ports on 69.36.15.196:
Not shown: 1679 closed ports
PORT STATE SERVICE
21/tcp open ftp
22/tcp open ssh
25/tcp open smtp
26/tcp open unknown
53/tcp open domain
80/tcp open http
110/tcp open pop3
143/tcp open imap
179/tcp filtered bgp
443/tcp open https
587/tcp open submission
993/tcp open imaps
995/tcp open pop3s
1720/tcp filtered H.323/Q.931
2605/tcp filtered bgpd
3000/tcp open ppp
3001/tcp open nessusd
3306/tcp open mysql


It looks like the Phillyblog server is exposing the MySQL database communication port to the outside world. Hopefully MySQL is patched up to the highest level here. Normally, I wouldn't leave my database server out in the open. I also see PB is running as a mail exchange, has FTP exposed (hope that daemon is patched up, too), and for some reason, a webcam/conferencing port is also open (the H.323).


Hummmmmmmmmm............


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Depending on what area of the city, I'm constantly floating between wifi, hotspots, and dedicated channels. When we're on local streets or highways I'm constantly bouncing between wifi, gps, and 3g signals.

Worst case scenario...if I attach through a non-secure network, yet working through a secure browser, can someone capture my info? I'm generally running safari or firefox.

thanks y'all!
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Generally, no.

If you are communicating via HTTPS and using SSL v3, you have enough safety to conduct electronic transactions. Anybody using a packet sniffer will not have enough computing resources to decrypt the traffic between you and the end point.
Don't forget about mitm attacks with ssl. When you send an important transaction over a potentially insecure connection (or even a "secure" one), make sure you take any error messages about certificates seriously. Someone could be sending you a fake cert.

Oh, and there's also the issue of van eck phreaking.... ;P

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Don't forget about mitm attacks with ssl. When you send an important transaction over a potentially insecure connection (or even a "secure" one), make sure you take any error messages about certificates seriously. Someone could be sending you a fake cert.

Oh, and there's also the issue of van eck phreaking.... ;P
Thank you fintler, I was worried no one would mention this.

A Man in the Middle Attack (see here-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_in_the_middle_att ack) will result in compromised data and connection, even though it is encrypted (ie, ssl)
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Generally, no.
eastchestnut@UNIX:~> nmap www.phillyblog.com

Starting Nmap 4.20 ( http://insecure.org ) at 2008-05-15 06:36 EDT
Interesting ports on 69.36.15.196:
Not shown: 1679 closed ports
PORT STATE SERVICE
21/tcp open ftp
22/tcp open ssh
25/tcp open smtp
26/tcp open unknown
53/tcp open domain
80/tcp open http
110/tcp open pop3
143/tcp open imap
179/tcp filtered bgp
443/tcp open https
587/tcp open submission
993/tcp open imaps
995/tcp open pop3s
1720/tcp filtered H.323/Q.931
2605/tcp filtered bgpd
3000/tcp open ppp
3001/tcp open nessusd
3306/tcp open mysql

Hummmmmmmmmm............
I want to know why BGP is open..thats a funny one.
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Originally Posted by EastChestnut View Post
Generally, no.

If you are communicating via HTTPS and using SSL v3, you have enough safety to conduct electronic transactions. Anybody using a packet sniffer will not have enough computing resources to decrypt the traffic between you and the end point.

However, that's just the HTTPS session (which happens over port 443 usually, and not port 80). That doesn't mean your computer/iPhone/whatever isn't vulnerable.


There is a UNIX utility called nmap you can run against an IP address to see exactly what a computer or device has exposed to the internet.


For example.... I ran a scan on www.phillyblog.com and got this info, which is rather troubling:

eastchestnut@UNIX:~> nmap www.phillyblog.com

Starting Nmap 4.20 ( http://insecure.org ) at 2008-05-15 06:36 EDT
Interesting ports on 69.36.15.196:
Not shown: 1679 closed ports
PORT STATE SERVICE
21/tcp open ftp
22/tcp open ssh
25/tcp open smtp
26/tcp open unknown
53/tcp open domain
80/tcp open http
110/tcp open pop3
143/tcp open imap
179/tcp filtered bgp
443/tcp open https
587/tcp open submission
993/tcp open imaps
995/tcp open pop3s
1720/tcp filtered H.323/Q.931
2605/tcp filtered bgpd
3000/tcp open ppp
3001/tcp open nessusd
3306/tcp open mysql


It looks like the Phillyblog server is exposing the MySQL database communication port to the outside world. Hopefully MySQL is patched up to the highest level here. Normally, I wouldn't leave my database server out in the open. I also see PB is running as a mail exchange, has FTP exposed (hope that daemon is patched up, too), and for some reason, a webcam/conferencing port is also open (the H.323).


Hummmmmmmmmm............
The hackers are always ahead of the patches, or at least catch up with them quickly, they need to lock their front door and back door so to speak.
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