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Old 02-29-2008, 09:36 AM
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Most likely. But it doesn't change the fact that they need to produce enough revenue generating space to turn a profit. That's probably why they upped the plans from 11 floors to 15.
If it's too much of a problem for them, then they shouldn't have purchased the property. They knew the height restriction was in place, and were well aware of the risk they were taking.
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Maybe they should just turn it into a parking lot or a strip mall.

As cities grow and land becomes more valuable, height restrictions are increased. The developer was betting on Philadelphia knowing this.
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Maybe they should just turn it into a parking lot or a strip mall.

As cities grow and land becomes more valuable, height restrictions are increased. The developer was betting on Philadelphia knowing this.
The height restriction in Society Hill--currently a residential neighborhood, by the way--has not been increased. And there are other areas of the city where a height restriction of 60 ft. is not on the books.

Or...maybe the developer could design a condo/hotel with a height that's within the limit (or at least within better negotiating range). It's been done before.
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There is no such thing as a residential neighborhood or commercial neighborhood in philadelphia, which is why plots are zoned according to the zoning map. That particular parcel is zoned c2, which makes it commercial. Additionally, it is the zoning classification that prescribes the height, not the area.
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The height restriction in Society Hill--currently a residential neighborhood, by the way--has not been increased. And there are other areas of the city where a height restriction of 60 ft. is not on the books.

Or...maybe the developer could design a condo/hotel with a height that's within the limit (or at least within better negotiating range). It's been done before.
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There is no such thing as a residential neighborhood or commercial neighborhood in philadelphia, which is why plots are zoned according to the zoning map. That particular parcel is zoned c2, which makes it commercial. Additionally, it is the zoning classification that prescribes the height, not the area.
Hmm...sounds like you're trying to claim that there is no height limit.
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Or...maybe the developer could design a condo/hotel with a height that's within the limit (or at least within better negotiating range). It's been done before.
Looks like he's been trying to bring it down to the 12-story height of the W proposal (which had received a variance back in the '90s but was never built). Too bad the move was presented in such an awkward way at the last
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Wrong. You made a claim that Society Hill was a "residential neighborhood by the way". I said that that land is zoned c-2, and it is inconsequential what area of town it is in because the zoning code dictates it's height. In the case of C-2 zoning, the height limit is 60ft. In a residential (R11) section the height is 45 ft.

And while naysayers wish to read the zoning code as if its set in stone and should be held to its highest regard, please note that in residential zoning there is to be 50 ft. of space between each house in Philadelphia-so who's giving up their house so their neighbor can be in compliance?
most people hold the code in the highest regard when it agrees with them, and trash it when it doesn't. that would be the case here. the zoning code doesn't exist to bring order or establish a better place, it exists to make people have to beg the city for every little thing...that way they contribute campaign cash and maximize the power of ward leaders and self righteous community groups that also happen to lend support in campaigns.
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Hmm...sounds like you're trying to claim that there is no height limit.
Wrong. You made a claim that Society Hill was a "residential neighborhood by the way". I said that that land is zoned c-2, and it is inconsequential what area of town it is in because the zoning code dictates it's height. In the case of C-2 zoning, the height limit is 60ft. In a residential (R11) section the height is 45 ft.

And while naysayers wish to read the zoning code as if its set in stone and should be held to its highest regard, please note that in residential zoning there is to be 50 ft. of space between each house in Philadelphia-so who's giving up their house so their neighbor can be in compliance?
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Wrong. You made a claim that Society Hill was a "residential neighborhood by the way". I said that that land is zoned c-2, and it is inconsequential what area of town it is in because the zoning code dictates it's height. In the case of C-2 zoning, the height limit is 60ft. In a residential (R11) section the height is 45 ft.
This is hilarious.

If it really is inconsequential what the area of town is, why do you think we have C-1, C-2, C-5, etc. zoning.
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