I feel like someone is asking us how cars work, and when we tell them they say "but this whole thing about wheels being round, I'm just not buying it".

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OK, so we are not talking about SHCA here but associations in general. Well I think that these associations have every right to influence what businesses go in the neighborhoods of the people they represent. I'm sure they don't always make the best decisions but that's beside the point. I don't want to live near a zillion bars just because you think you have the right to open them. I'm not interested in living near Bourbon Street. It sounds like sour grapes to me. You can blame not meeting your own expectations on asociations if that makes you feel better but how about opening a bar that has neighborhood appeal instead (like the two sited - Ansill or Gayle - both of which replaced existing bar/restaurants and happen to be great places in my opinion - especially Ansill).

Anyway, I'm not all that interested in an esoteric debate. I believe this thread is for discussing Stampers Square - a project that has some flaws but overall is a good one that would add to both SH & QV. I hope the SHCA has the guts to pass it tomorrow night. We'll see........

Your facts are wrong. Gayle brought a new liquor license-the prior place was a byob...there was probably plenty of alcohol in the old place since the former owner enjoyed drinking and driving, but none of it was for sale or consumption by customers.

I always love this sour grapes b.s.. Did you not read? I've had my businesses for many years. And no-we're not talking about associations in general-I am specifically talking about people who get to say yea or nea over something that has no bearing on their lifestyle. There is no way you can prove to me that those opposed to Stamper's Square would be affected by it in any way, shape, or form. Meanwhile, those who do actually live nearby have vastly approved of the plans-and those who live directly next to it are almost 100% supportive since they're getting paid off with deeded parking.

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Wow. Alesis is right. Is this on?

You do realize that places like South Street, and Second Street and Market Street were places of commerce? Commerce means business, in a variety of forms, including bars and restaurants. People like the vitality of these areas and move near them. Well this is a C-I-T-Y, complete with all that offers, including being very close to these places of commerce. People have to remember that THEY moved NEXT to the businesses. For a reason. Their right to stop them is, or should be minimal. If you don't want to live near a bar--DON'T MOVE THERE.

SHCA happens to be well-funded, well-heeled, older and well-established, and understands only too well the whole concept of the squeaky wheel getting greased. They will squeak until they get greased--what they want.

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yes, the whole finite licensing scheme is stupid. you pay $60k (I've heard they are around $90k...and that's only because Philly has lost so many people, some places in chesco they fetch in excess of $300k last I heard) for a piece of paper. The state shoudl scrap the system as it provides no value. Perhaps a nominal fee to pay for adequate supervision. Zoning could act to limit the number of bars, there's no need for another backdoor tax on alcohol. the same goes for taxi medallions. the associations sound liek the same sort of nazis that make suburban development living so annoying. Question, when purchase a home, do you sign a paper saying that even though it's your home, the association can determine what modifications you make to it? why can they tell me I can't have a porch?

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Exactly. Zoning already does limit possibilities, since a bar/restaurant can only operate in a c2-c3 classification within our area.

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Methinks Nanyika is messing with us. Otis and Schnidler are names of elevator companies. The Schnidler-Otis House gets zero Google hits. There was no Locust Expressway proposal.

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Wait a second, so if you move next to a business district as many bars as knuckleheads want to open should be allowed but when you move into a historic district where everyone knows they must get facade changes made that's wrong? Oh my gosh. How can I argue with this thinking. If you want to attack decisions made by the associations or even parts of the process I might be first in line. But I paid a lot of money for my SH home because I love the look of the neighborhood and while i frequent bars and restaurants all over the city I don't want to live near Bourbon Street. Thank god I'm protected from small mided thinking.

If you want to live near dozens of bars, move. If you want to build a shabby porch, move. We do have bars by the way and we do have decks (not many porches that I know of).

I'm well aware Gayle bought a liqour license. That serves my point which is that its not terribly difficult to get a liqour license. Maybe they should not be bought but they should not just be given to anyone that wants one all in the name of commerce.

We do live near dozens of bars-no need to move.

And since you paid alot of money for your SH home, how many bars and restaurants can you hear and/or see from your location?

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